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PostFri Sep 20, 2019 7:51 pm 
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Well said, Foot. Apparently, being on the emerald cult side of divisive garners no yellow card here. I'm (not) surprised that Cyclo's post has stood for as long as it has. Seattle blinders.

As for the topic, re national parks, around here we're really only talking about Westside and Ipsut Creek Roads--and maybe a few decommissioned miles inside ONP and NCNP. Dose and Elwha come to mind. Others?
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Be the example you want to see here.  I'd dispense with the noble certainties.  The Trump dig was inappropriate.  That's the kind of stuff we ask people to check at the door.  Believe it or not, happens on both sides.
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I believe some inappropriates are more equal than others that you believe are handled equally and appropriately. Translation, yes, I think you often look the other way when your community gets political and mean. Balls and strikes. But hey, it's your site.
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PostFri Sep 20, 2019 11:04 pm 
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With Trump in office you'll see more in that direction.  Terms like "emerald cult", "seattle blinders", etc. sound more like a get out of bed perspective.  This forum is a relatively diverse group of individuals who view themselves as part of a community and want to be here.  I'd say this thread is a good example of the diversity here.
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PostTue Oct 01, 2019 8:27 pm 
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It's official. (Or, same as it ever was.)

https://www.nps.gov/mora/learn/news/electric-bicycles-at-mount-rainier.htm
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^ or in other words: effectively NO change in policy regarding bicycles (or ebikes) at either MRNP or ONP - they're still only allowed where bicycles were already allowed.

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PostWed Oct 02, 2019 11:05 am 
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wait...... and you still have to pedal?
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PostWed Nov 13, 2019 8:57 pm 
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Haleakala looks into electric bike policy.

https://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news/2019/11/haleakala-looks-into-electric-bike-policy/

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PostWed Nov 13, 2019 9:55 pm 
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37 miles and 10,000' of gain. A formidable test for any modern ebike battery.
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PostThu Nov 14, 2019 7:10 am 
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I am hoping to ride up the Going to the Sun road next year.  I also want to do part of the Kettle Valley trail, which is a rails to trails thing in B.C.

I definitely get more of a workout with the new bike, but also get way more mileage.  I have not used more than a third of the battery on one trip (30 miles so far) yet. On my old Rad I was going on fumes after 24 miles.

If it is a nice day, I find myself turning a 4 mile round trip to Safeway into a 18 mile ride, with a bit of huffing and puffing up a hill.  I wouldn't be doing that on a regular bike.

Any nay sayers tried one out yet?  THAT is the problem.  Too many people who know nothing about ebikes are making the rules up about them.  A "Physics Expert" on an ebike forum even tried to make the case that because of the extra weight of an ebike, they are dangerous.  Well, what happens when I put my extra weight on an acoustic bike?  Is a pound of ebike different than a pound of body?  The other fear is speed.  I can hit the same speed on an acoustic bike going downhill that I can on my ebike.  Is there a difference in speed also?  Then there is the throttle thing.  I have a bike with and a bike without.  The throttle makes it safer for me to get going.  That counts in intersections and on hills.  Since my non-throttle bike is more comfortable to ride and has a better battery, I'm trying to do without.  I have ended up pushing my bike up hills when it is too steep for my skills to get it going.

I read where a couple had been kicked off a paved trail where bikes are allowed in Acadia NP.  They had to ride out in the car traffic, and this was after the ruling was made.  Is that preferable to having a speed limit for all bikes on trails?  They mentioned that they could just drive their car instead and be safer which would be more carbon spewed out instead of using common sense.

You definitely should ride them before making decisions.  And, how many of you hike on trails shared with bikes anyway?

There is no threat to official wilderness.

There is no threat to trails where bikes are not allowed.

There may be a threat to some egos.

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PostThu Nov 14, 2019 7:41 am 
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Some reading.

Outside article

And a German study that suggests ebikes do go 1 or 2 KPH faster than regular bikes.  Does that mean the end of the world?

Faster in Germany

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PostThu Nov 14, 2019 7:45 am 
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Brian R wrote:
37 miles and 10,000' of gain. A formidable test for any modern ebike battery.

Indeed.  Most top out around there just on flat ground.  But I wonder what trails they're talking about.  The paved road to the top is presumably already OK for all modes of transportation.  The Skyline trail would be fun to e-bike but is outside the park.  I'm not aware of any MTB routes inside the park.
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PostThu Nov 14, 2019 9:01 am 
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treeswarper wrote:
I am hoping to ride up the Going to the Sun road next year. 

I've been wanting to do that on my "acoustic" bike for years!  Should be a great time, take lots of pics and post a TR.
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PostThu Nov 14, 2019 10:25 am 
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Cyclopath wrote:
treeswarper wrote:
I am hoping to ride up the Going to the Sun road next year. 

I've been wanting to do that on my "acoustic" bike for years!  Should be a great time, take lots of pics and post a TR.

I need to find a link that will predict when the snow is cleared, but the road only open for bikes because the snow is not cleared. 

It's kind of similar to the North Cascades riding, I think.

I'd like to do that too, but a friend says my pickup will be broken into and destroyed.

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While I was on the Sammamish river trail last week, a person went  flying by on an electric bike that was more of a motorcycle in my opinion, must have been doing 30 mph, not pedaling at all. The bike looked like it was pretty massive, would likely have killed anyone it hit. But I see that as the individual in question needing an expensive ticket and a trail ban, more than a complaint about the technology. We need some enforcement of existing rules more than new rules with no enforcement except blame after something bad happens.

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