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PostMon Dec 02, 2019 3:41 pm 
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Doppelganger wrote:
Can you help me understand how one might otherwise be responsible for the poor choices others make?

I don't think they are. My perspective is that by being more thoughtful about our own choices -- i.e. what we post on social media -- we might be able to mitigate some overuse issues and the impacts that arise when places go viral.

Unfortunately, there is really no "control" for this hypothesis, but I think it speaks for itself when somewhere like Jade Lake has thousands of posts on Instagram and is pretty heavily impacted, whereas another lake with similar proximity to Seattle and a similar approach might have a fraction of the use and impacts and has only a few hundred posts on Instagram.

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The backyard kegger mini-social-diorama is a valid example of impromptu judgment, but isn't that a little wild west for you? Is that the standard you/we would like to accept (or perhaps we have come to accept, sadly enough for most of us)?

I don't particularly think so. I would certainly feel a bit of regret if I was the person who invited the drunken moron who otherwise wouldn't have attended, I would likely not invite them to any other social gatherings, and I would probably exercise a bit more discretion in who I invited in the future. Learning from past mistakes. In regard to social media and the outdoors, I think we can all collectively learn from the impacts that "oversharing" (and geotagging, detailed trip reports, etc.) has had on certain places and work to not make those same mistakes in the future.
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PostFri Dec 06, 2019 11:28 pm 
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I think the solution is to start hiking trails with a Jason mask and a machete. People will see you and run the other way. Solitude wherever you go.

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This is pretty much the argument of the cigarette industry last century. It took another 35-40 yrs of research for science to definitively say smoking significantly increases risk of cancer. Sometimes things are exactly what they look like.

While I dont disagree with the argument, my cousin worked for Burlington Northern for 30 years.  While he was there they still had 75 year old guys piloting the trains.  He remembers some conversations with those guys in which they remember their fathers and grand fathers referring to cigarettes as " cancer sticks" and sometimes "Consumption Sticks" around the turn of the 20th century.  My point is, its always been known that cigarettes cause cancer, and that they were bad for you.

As far as social media, I see nothing positive or redeeming in its value, and therefor I do not participate in any of it.  From what I've seen, its divisive as hell!

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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 8:23 am 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
and therefor I do not participate in any of it.

Earth to Backpacker Joe -- NWHikers is a social media site.  Social Media isn't limited to FB and Instagram.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 12:34 pm 
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I don't agree with that definition. Social media is usually seen as members using separate accounts, and the interaction, likes, etc take place on their accounts.

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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 1:57 pm 
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I don't agree with that definition. Social media is usually seen as members using separate accounts, and the interaction, likes, etc take place on their accounts.

NWHikers is Social Media in the context of this thread.  Posting trip reports here definitely has the effect of generating more interest and visits in those locations and also in posts admonishing others to "don't share about that destination"

NWHikers lacks a "like" button per se, but folks can and do reply to Trip Reports with a thumbs up icon or similar post that is akin to a "like".
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 2:24 pm 
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Forums are generally considered social media. Even BBS and USENET are social media just not WWW ones.

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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 2:48 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
I don't agree with that definition. Social media is usually seen as members using separate accounts, and the interaction, likes, etc take place on their accounts.

We all have separate accounts here.  Yours is MtnGoat, mine is a play on words for bike path.

If you google "define social media" you get a bunch of answers about creating and sharing content - like trip reports here.  But more to the point, the whole reason we all come here is to socialize (online) with other hikers.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 2:54 pm 
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Yes, this site is "social media." And MC is right - so are truly old school forums like BBS and USENET.

Per Merriam Webster (which is in line with many other definitions you'll find if you go looking):

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forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)

That said, for sure Facebook and Instagram and Twitter have reached incomparable scale. That doesn't mean smaller online communities aren't forms of "social media" though.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 3:46 pm 
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Read the wikipedia page, the term is ambiguous so who cares what definition you choose.  The more interesting point is

Backpacker Joe wrote:
From what I've seen, its divisive as hell!

from a guy who's made more than his fair share of divisive comments here!  (Hope I can get by with saying that, since he's also a decent guy from what I can tell.)

Anyway, social media, like any tool, can be used for good or ill, and with or without competence.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 4:07 pm 
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The distinction between NWH and Instagram/Facebook is the extent to which they are image driven. I'd say NWH is content first, pictures second. IG/FB are pictures first, content second. NWH requires you to click on a post before you can see pictures. IG/FB show you the picture right away. That does make a difference. It's much quicker to find "beautiful places" scrolling through photos than having to click on numerous trip reports. Not saying NWH doesn't have any impact, but I'd say it's less of an impact than IG/FB.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 5:22 pm 
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fourteen410 wrote:
Not saying NWH doesn't have any impact, but I'd say it's less of an impact than IG/FB.

I think you are splitting hairs to a very fine degree. 

Also FWIW NWHikers content is indexed by Google , while FB/IG content is far harder to find by search outside the platform itself.   

The WHC FB page has a ton more users, I think that is the reason why a location posted on WHC sees a large horde the following weekend,  while a post solely on NWHikers will result in a much smaller bump in visits, but more visits it does.

All of that feeds back to the growing "think before you post"  LNT principle.    A location specific post to WHC will certainly result in more footprints in the following days than an identical post on NWHikers, but the principle is the same.

If you want to post a bunch of location specific content, but not have anyone follow your steps.   Google+  was the way to go, until it was shuttered anyway.
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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 6:12 pm 
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RandyHiker wrote:
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and therefor I do not participate in any of it.

Earth to Backpacker Joe -- NWHikers is a social media site.  Social Media isn't limited to FB and Instagram.

I would disagree, but it's interesting.  So, what were forums like these (and forums prior to the existence of the World Wide Web) called or thought of BEFORE the very term, or the sudo understanding of the term Social Media was created/invented?

Personally I don't consider the World Wide Web social media.

If everybody is concerned with trip reports and general hiking related topics hurting our environment, lets create a dark web version of NWH.

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PostSat Dec 07, 2019 6:22 pm 
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As I said above before the WWW there was BBS and USENET had hiking, climbing, MTB, and skiing groups. There were active flame wars and trolls. Only real difference was most users then were computer nerds as access was more difficult numbers were way smaller and modems were slow.

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