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PostTue Oct 22, 2019 2:35 pm 
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reststep wrote:
It seems to me like the end of the Suiattle River would qualify as being remote especially now that from what I hear the trail is non existent.

Pretty non existent above Chocolate creek,  but it definitely exists before then.... some parts have been brushed out, not all.

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PostTue Oct 22, 2019 5:09 pm 
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Wild lake. Ive only met one man who's ever been there.

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PostTue Oct 22, 2019 5:25 pm 
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Where is Wild Lake?  There is not a Wild Lake listed in my Lakes of Washington books.

Edit: BPJ, are you talking about the lake up near Pioneer Ridge and Mt. Crowder?

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PostTue Oct 22, 2019 7:35 pm 
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Id bow to opinion of whomever it was that listed slide alder as their favorite tree.

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 6:28 am 
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reststep wrote:
Where is Wild Lake?  There is not a Wild Lake listed in my Lakes of Washington books.

Edit: BPJ, are you talking about the lake up near Pioneer Ridge and Mt. Crowder?

Mt. Crowder yes.  Wild  lake.  Graciously borrowed from the legendary hiker who gave it to me.

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 7:52 am 
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When are you going?

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 9:54 am 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Where is Wild Lake?

It looks like it might be the lake at 4880' which is remote alright. It is down the street from the Lonesome Creek that I mentioned.
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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 12:37 pm 
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Wow BPJ, I just looked at the map... how the heck did he get there??
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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 12:41 pm 
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rhinos go everywhere

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 6:50 pm 
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iron wrote:
rhinos go everywhere

Hey, I NEVER claimed to have been there. I said that a very accomplished person I knew went there.  He gave me those pictures.  He went in there via Trappers Peak.

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 8:07 pm 
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How about going up Goodell Creek?

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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 8:16 pm 
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The Wild Lake being mentioned is the headwater of Goodell Creek.
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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 8:17 pm 
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Anyone ever been down Picket Creek?
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Great topic for the "off-season" debate - when it's getting too snowy for reasonable foot travel and still too early for skis, boards and 'shoes.  Is this the so-called "Side Season"?  What else can keep us busy here?  Hmm, maybe a trip south to the desert (who's in?).

It's all in your definition, right?

The term "remote" seems loosely enough defined and widely open to interpretation that I'll just jump in.  For me, it means not just the distance from the nearest road, trail, town, or cell tower,  it's definitely that for sure but it's also the inaccessibility based on ease of travel over a given expanse of terrain - i.e. effort, calories per hour/mile + route finding.  A mile riding a horse in the remote, open terrain of the Pasayten is not the same as a 1+K elevation/mile "C-F" through slide alder, vine maple, and devils club in N Cascades - on foot.  The remoteness and difficulty of access is more than just miles.  Also, for this discussion, I'm ignoring technical climbing routes, I'm just considering just the aspects of access.

I've done zero empirical research on this topic, so take it on that basis. My guess is that the most remote places are probably somewhere in the Northern or Southern Picketts - for example, Mox Peaks or farther south like Gunsight Peak.  Personally, I think the longest approach I've done in WA was Mt. Challenger via Easy Ridge.  Not an uncommon approach, but still a very long way, and many hours from the car/TH/road with an approach that involves more-than-zero route-finding and bushwacking.

Another perspective on "remoteness" could be that of solitude, the lack of other humans, or evidence of human traffic and impact. I have actually felt more solitude, remoteness in places much closer in, than based on distance in miles alone.  Every season, I intentionally seek out places of solitude, places unfamiliar to the "masses" and I'm always pleasantly surprised how many areas there still are with nearly no human marks, yet remarkably close to common, hyper-popular destinations.  For example, I've been eyeing a body of water that's less than 1 mile from the Enchantments permit zone boundary, that would take a hard xc day to reach, and I believe it has seen fewer than 10 people, ever (possibly even half that) - so do we define that as "remote" even though it's relatively close, gauged in miles, to places so overrun by the hoards?
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PostWed Oct 23, 2019 9:06 pm 
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Monument and Lake of The Woods Mountain. It's out there a fair bit.
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