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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 3:49 pm 
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Who needs parking meters when WSDOT wants GPS transponders in our cars in the not-too-distant future. The sky's the limit.  All for the common good. Enjoy the future, serfs.


Ya that will never happen to me!  Ill move to Idaho first!

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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 3:56 pm 
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I thought the transponders were to replace  the gas tax with a miles driven tax. This will make electric car drivers pay, and stop penalizing those who drive gas guzzlers. Funny how the same people who want those things hate the program the most, apparently. I didn’t realize the point of the program was to take away our freedoms. Live and learn.

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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 5:43 pm 
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A government GPS transponder in your car? What's not to like? And if they say they're only going to use it to charge you for miles driven and not look at your private activities, well, I'm sure they really mean it. For now.

BTW, WSDOT isn't proposing "replacing" the gas tax.  This would supplement it.  Of course, they would lower the gas tax.  For now.

Pretty much any legislation or rule making passed by local, state, federal government can be followed by the words "for now."
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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 6:01 pm 
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Pretty much any legislation or rule making passed by local, state, federal government can be followed by the words "for now."

Isn't that the essence of democratic governance?

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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 7:39 pm 
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Another reason to avoid "Der Village"

But I'm not sure this is "news" the city of Leavenworth site shows a parking map and lists rates that indicate these are already in practice.

https://cityofleavenworth.com/city-services/facilities/parking/
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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 9:37 pm 
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Brian R wrote:
Pretty much any legislation or rule making passed by local, state, federal government can be followed by the words "for now."

Isn't that the essence of democratic governance?

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No, it isn't. The Bill of Rights--and several of the Amendments that followed--trump the dangerous mob. They even trump representative government. Kind of a red line; there won't be a State of Washington transponder in my car or attached to my motorcycle. Or bicycle.
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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 10:25 pm 
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If you seriously believe the majority of drivers in this country are going to acquiesce when told they have to install some sort of "tracking" device on their cars [...]

If doing so saved you a few $$, or time (e.g. with access to fast lanes), I wouldn't be so sure...

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PostWed Oct 30, 2019 11:00 pm 
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No, it isn't. The Bill of Rights--and several of the Amendments that followed--trump the dangerous mob. They even trump representative government. Kind of a red line; there won't be a State of Washington transponder in my car or attached to my motorcycle. Or bicycle.

This is quaint.   

There is already a state issued unique id plate bolted to your vehicle.  You are required to have this affixed to your vehicle as a condition for using public roads in a motor vehicle.   The widespread use of CCTV and plate readers in various jurisdictions makes the need for a transponder superfluous.
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PostThu Oct 31, 2019 3:06 am 
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I missed the title of this thread being “please dump all your paranoid antigovernment fantasies here, the more crackpot the better”. I thought it said something about parking meters in Leavenworth. Good thing politics is encouraged in all threads. That’s what this site needs, paranoid crackpot nonsense in every thread. Too bad the dumpers can’t start their own threads to post their garbage, so I guess they have no choice but to pollute every other thread.

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PostThu Oct 31, 2019 7:26 am 
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RumiDude wrote:
Isn't that the essence of democratic governance?

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Yes. Hence the problem.

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PostThu Oct 31, 2019 7:27 am 
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I missed the title of this thread being “please dump all your paranoid antigovernment fantasies here, the more crackpot the better”. I thought it said something about parking meters in Leavenworth. Good thing politics is encouraged in all threads. That’s what this site needs, paranoid crackpot nonsense in every thread. Too bad the dumpers can’t start their own threads to post their garbage, so I guess they have no choice but to pollute every other thread.

Noting reality is so far from being crackpot or paranoid as to render your argument indistinguishable from fantasy.

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PostThu Oct 31, 2019 9:02 am 
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Ski wrote:
If you seriously believe the majority of drivers in this country are going to acquiesce when told they have to install some sort of "tracking" device on their cars [...]

If doing so saved you a few $$, or time (e.g. with access to fast lanes), I wouldn't be so sure...

Insurance companies are in the business of managing risk.  Data on how people drive lets them do that more effectively.  Until now, doing that has required having a specialized device put into your car, then collecting it back.  But now they're starting to use software for the smart phones that 95 % of the public already has.  Currently, you get a discount (if they like how you drive).  The obvious next step is that they won't sell you insurance without this tracking, or they'll price it high enough that ordinary people can't afford it.
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Well... that sounds like a good argument on the surface, but the reality is that something like 54% (that's FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT) of the drivers on Washington State roads are driving without any insurance right now.

Are you old enough to remember people ripping the seat belts out of early 1960's automobiles?

You cannot tell the American public what they must do with their car.

Okay, you can try to tell them.

Kind of like "Don't talk on your cell phone and drive."

What's the compliance rate on that one again?

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PostThu Oct 31, 2019 5:12 pm 
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Everyone knows that parking in L'worth is just as bad as the traffic on Highway 2.  I'm my opinion it's because the city was done a poor job of planning for a long time.  This issue isn't new, it has been around for more than a decade (maybe 2) and just gets worse each year.  Depending on largely curbside parking is grossly inadequate for the volume of visitors the city receives, say nothing for the workers and local population.

Just as the hospital built a new lot for its staff on Commercial street this year, the local business owners could band together and construct a permit-only lot for employees, to get them out of curbside spots and also give them a place to park.  But I'm not naive enough to believe they would ever really do this.

For the tourists and out-of-town guests (I don't want to offend hikers and climbers as "tourists"  hmmm.gif ) there needs to be sufficient off-street parking - several lots and probably a multilevel garage or two.

Charging for curbside parking doesn't do anything to alleviate the problem:  the deficiency of adequate parking spaces to accommodate all the vehicles.  I'm supportive of metered parking for city streets in L'worth IF the funds generated are fully allocated to build more lots and structures to expand the city's parking capacity.
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