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MtnGoat
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| Cyclopath wrote: | | Has a human driving a car ever killed anyone? |
Yup. And the chain of responsibility is thoroughly thought out.
For self driving cars, it is very indeterminate, for now anyway, and the moral issues abound.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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MtnGoat
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| Cyclopath wrote: | And that same tax will be used to pay for what coldrain is talking about.  |
Yes, it will be used to harm people and society for sure if that occurs.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Cyclopath
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:21 pm |
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | Cyclopath wrote: | | Has a human driving a car ever killed anyone? |
Yup. And the chain of responsibility is thoroughly thought out.
For self driving cars, it is very indeterminate, for now anyway, and the moral issues abound. |
Is the victim less dead because survivors have somebody to blame?
I'm aware of 3 cases where somebody died as a result of self driving cars. 3,000 people die every day as a result of human driven cars, not counting the ones who are "only" maimed. To the best of my knowledge robot cars aren't distracted by text messages and Facebook, correct me if I'm wrong. But every time I'm on the road I see people driving cars while they pay attention to their phones instead of the road. Self driving cars can't get here fast enough, for safety reasons.
People aren't very good at understanding risk, many would rather drive than fly too.
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Cyclopath
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:24 pm |
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Backpacker Joe
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| Cyclopath wrote: | | Backpacker Joe wrote: | | Hell no and a half.
Normally Im not one to consider frivolous law suits, but Im all for suing the creative company out of existence when the self driver kills someone! |
Has a human driving a car ever killed anyone? |
Stupid question. Of course, and they can be held accountable.
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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Chief Joseph
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I’m going with”hell no!” I have little faith in the technological ‘advances’ of mankind.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Backpacker Joe
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Awesome, you truly cant fix stupid. Check it out, he went "Postal" on them! Haven't been able to say that in a while.
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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Slugman
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Holding someone accountable is absolutely worthless in bringing dead people back to life.
Funny how those who claim to hate frivolous lawsuits are the first to say they would sue a company out of existence.
Chief Joseph will never go to the doctor, or fly in a plane, or use a cell phone, so he appears to claim. Or maybe he is just making up a phony excuse to attack something he makes no effort to understand.
When people put forth a general principle to make an argument, it is hilarious how often they are being complete hypocrites who ignore that same principle all the time except the one caee they site.
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:35 am |
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I look forward to everyone else having self-driving cars. I'm sure that it will be a huge improvement to the half of the drivers I see on the road that shouldn't be behind the wheel. Since I moved to an area with only one 2-lane highway and an average age over 70, I've seen a serious accident in the neighborhood almost every week, most of them head-on.
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moonspots
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"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
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MtnGoat
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:45 am |
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| Slugman wrote: | | Holding someone accountable is absolutely worthless in bringing dead people back to life.
Funny how those who claim to hate frivolous lawsuits are the first to say they would sue a company out of existence.
Chief Joseph will never go to the doctor, or fly in a plane, or use a cell phone, so he appears to claim. Or maybe he is just making up a phony excuse to attack something he makes no effort to understand.
When people put forth a general principle to make an argument, it is hilarious how often they are being complete hypocrites who ignore that same principle all the time except the one caee they site. |
No one has ever claimed holding someone accountable will bring someone else back to life. A strawman argument is an empty argument, and it's usually applied to justify using law against innocent people on the basis they *might* do something bad.
Holding people accountable is not supposed to undo a wrong, it addresses the justice of holding people accountable for what they *actually* do, and provides a counter incentive to folks doing wrong in the future.
Not only do I *not* see any examples of posters claiming to hate frivolous lawsuits being the first to say they'd sue a company out of existence, I see no evidence of recognition of the difference between a frivolous suit and a justified one.
As for hypocrisy, well, that general principle argument made is effin rampant in the AGW enthusiast community, so it would be more applicable in that situation.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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MtnGoat
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| Cyclopath wrote: | | Is the victim less dead because survivors have somebody to blame?
I'm aware of 3 cases where somebody died as a result of self driving cars. 3,000 people die every day as a result of human driven cars, not counting the ones who are "only" maimed. To the best of my knowledge robot cars aren't distracted by text messages and Facebook, correct me if I'm wrong. But every time I'm on the road I see people driving cars while they pay attention to their phones instead of the road. Self driving cars can't get here fast enough, for safety reasons.
People aren't very good at understanding risk, many would rather drive than fly too. |
No, the victim is not less dead...and I have no idea at all what this fact is supposed to illustrate.
Doubtless, people are not always great at understanding risk...but risk is not the only reason they make decisions. And they own the right to make risk decisions for themselves, wether or not this right is taken away from them. A right violated is still a right.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Cyclopath
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:50 am |
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Yeah, a driver just has to say the magic words "I didn't see him" or "he came out of nowhere" and they're not held accountable. At least for pedestrians and cyclists. But robots are scary.
How many self driving cars will have a DUI problem?
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Cyclopath
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| MtnGoat wrote: | | No, the victim is not less dead...and I have no idea at all what this fact is supposed to illustrate.
Doubtless, people are not always great at understanding risk...but risk is not the only reason they make decisions. And they own the right to make risk decisions for themselves, wether or not this right is taken away from them. A right violated is still a right. |
Really??
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