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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 8:47 am 
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At least they bagged it.

I remember being in the woods during a long weekend.  On Tuesday, I'm thinking it was at the Cat Creek chimney, the campers were gone, but they had left their garbage neatly bagged in the camp.  It was supposedly a pack it out spot.  It was pretty easy to throw in the back of the truck and haul in though as animals had not torn up the bags.

You see all sorts of stuff left behind.  Some elk hunters would bring in big squares of carpet to put under their tents and then leave it.  It became saturated and was too heavy for one person to load.  A logger was working near one such spot and he walked his excavator over and picked up the carpet and put it in my pickup bed.  It took 3 people to get it in a dumpster.

Some folks buy cheap camping equipment and just leave it behind.  I hauled two loads of ruined gear out of another camp by the Cispus River.

The same logger who helped with the carpet went on a tirade about all the undies that are in the woods.  It was an original speech with the main question of "Why do so many people shed their shorts in the woods?"

I gave away a mylar balloon that had made it to the woods to another logger that said his wife would like it.  It was still inflated and said, I Love You on it.  So, it was recycled.  up.gif

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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 9:37 am 
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From the original link.

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As long as they’re not putting themselves in harm’s way, Raedel encouraged recreationalists to grab a photograph or to write down a description of vandals if they felt comfortable, that way the force can follow up. Members of the public can call 1-855-883-8368 if they see suspicious activity.
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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 9:55 am 
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RichP wrote:
From the original link.

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As long as they’re not putting themselves in harm’s way, Raedel encouraged recreationalists to grab a photograph or to write down a description of vandals if they felt comfortable, that way the force can follow up. Members of the public can call 1-855-883-8368 if they see suspicious activity.


Yes; be sure they don’t see you taking pictures of them!

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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 12:01 pm 
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Recently posted on the T-A-Y facebook page:
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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 1:18 pm 
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Recently posted on the T-A-Y facebook page:

That's really nothing much.  I've seen a lot worse.  It needs more beer cans, broken bottles, empty plastic energy drink containers, fast food bags and cups, espresso cups, empty propane bottles, cigarette wrappers and butts, etc. to be authentic.   Tires add some ambiance as well.  Broken chairs are popular items to leave.  Nope, that's not bad at all.  Of course, it all depends on what you are used to.  A dump in Harlem is probably way more dumpier than one at a trailhead.   biggrin.gif

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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 2:05 pm 
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I've seen worse too. We all have. But that's irrelevant.

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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 2:10 pm 
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hey, treeswarper!
was that wet soggy carpeting you found in the elk hunter camp just west of Jackpot Lake?
the one where they hauled in the double-wide porcelain-enameled cast iron kitchen sink and had it attached to two trees with 3/8" lag screws? the same one where they lopped off the Western Red Cedars 8 feet from the ground and then nailed up old fire hose so they had something to suspend the blue plastic tarp roof from? dizzy.gif

at least the guys who built the structure up at the lower Harlow Lake had the decency to haul in 2 x 4's to hold up the blue plastic tarp roof!
great thing about blue plastic tarp roofs: they're easy to spot from a helicopter. unfortunately the Park Service couldn't get their little Huey in there so Mike D. and Keith F. had to hike in there and muscle it all out. (yes, including the small cast-iron wood stove.)

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PostTue Nov 19, 2019 2:53 pm 
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What enrages me is when people throw crap out of their car window as they drive along.
They fill up regularly with fuel or gasoline, right? Every gas station has a trash container right next to the pumps...why can't they throw it into one of those?

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PostWed Nov 20, 2019 7:48 am 
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Ski wrote:
hey, treeswarper!
was that wet soggy carpeting you found in the elk hunter camp just west of Jackpot Lake?
the one where they hauled in the double-wide porcelain-enameled cast iron kitchen sink and had it attached to two trees with 3/8" lag screws? the same one where they lopped off the Western Red Cedars 8 feet from the ground and then nailed up old fire hose so they had something to suspend the blue plastic tarp roof from? dizzy.gif

at least the guys who built the structure up at the lower Harlow Lake had the decency to haul in 2 x 4's to hold up the blue plastic tarp roof!
great thing about blue plastic tarp roofs: they're easy to spot from a helicopter. unfortunately the Park Service couldn't get their little Huey in there so Mike D. and Keith F. had to hike in there and muscle it all out. (yes, including the small cast-iron wood stove.)

Nope.  But carpeting is all over the place.  Mine was up Iron Creek, where a timber sale was going on.  Since most is so heavy to pick up, perhaps folks should carry sharp knives to cut it into manageable pieces and carry it out.


I thought this to be Karma at work.  They'd apparently set up camp and left for home.  A plywood outhouse was placed quite close to the creek, where, well, the poopage would "trickle down" into the water.  I think this was up on the Cat Cr. road.  I hate left behind poop more than carpet.

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PostWed Nov 20, 2019 7:49 pm 
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Gregory wrote:
Unfortunately we need more cops in the woods

That. Closing gates because a tiny minority dumps garbage is about closing gates, not garbage.

We are in a vicious circle where land managers are getting their budgets cut, and then pissing off the people who should be supporting them in a number of ways that I've listed elsewhere here and won't bother to do again.

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PostWed Nov 20, 2019 10:11 pm 
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It's more than garbage. Burned stolen cars and motorhomes, and the general creepy feeling it gives visitors. I have turned around to give elsewhere a few times because I figure anyone lacking integrity to the point  they dump and burn may still be around and wanting to cause more harm. People like that scare the hell out of me.

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PostWed Nov 20, 2019 10:22 pm 
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Kim Brown wrote:
Yes; be sure they don’t see you taking pictures of them!

My wife made this mistake last year and was chased at high-speed by the tweaker that was inside the car.  Really shook her up. Next day she went down to SouthSound911 and applied for a concealed carry permit--something she had refused to do until that day.
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PostThu Nov 21, 2019 4:05 am 
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Kim Brown wrote:
Yes; be sure they don’t see you taking pictures of them!

My wife made this mistake last year and was chased at high-speed by the tweaker that was inside the car.  Really shook her up. Next day she went down to SouthSound911 and applied for a concealed carry permit--something she had refused to do until that day.

Just prior to Officer Christine Fairbanks's murder on the Dungeness river she came across my now wife. then a friend. camped by herself on the Hamma Hamma. Her advice to Melinda was that she should not be out there by herself and should go home. This warning came even though she had A german Shepard and an Australian Shepard that would tear you up if you got two close to her. Melinda is not one to be scared off from what she loves. With her brothers help went to training and now has a mean dog and gun..

I just do not understand why when both of us were kids and young adults we interacted with Law enforcement on a regular basis and now we have not seen one in years. We miss Christine.
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PostThu Nov 21, 2019 8:31 am 
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the mindset comes from way way back years ago. Look at all the old rusty cans at old mining sites through out the forests, in nearly every state including some very cold places. piles and piles of junk left because it was to hard to pack out and clean up... so what is new today? has noone learned any lesson yet because it if keeps up you will be better off hiking and camping in the local land fill!
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PostThu Nov 21, 2019 8:47 am 
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cdestroyer wrote:
the mindset comes from way way back years ago. Look at all the old rusty cans at old mining sites through out the forests, in nearly every state including some very cold places. piles and piles of junk left because it was to hard to pack out and clean up... so what is new today? has noone learned any lesson yet because it if keeps up you will be better off hiking and camping in the local land fill!

What is new is that folks haul garbage out to specifically dump it on vacant land, and like everything else, we have had a population explosion which means the population of jerks has also expanded.

If you hire a bargain, independent garbage/junk hauling service, you risk the chance that they are just dumping it anywhere except where they have to pay to dump it.

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