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PostTue Dec 17, 2019 5:12 am 
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We put Tagro on the lawn once, 20 years ago. Worked great. Been thinking of grabbing some more. Might reconsider. Yet another thing to stress about. These "forever chemicals" have been in the news a lot lately. As with the BPA panic a few years back you have to wonder what's next, and worse. Lots of questions though. I'll buy that you don't want to put the stuff on your vegetable garden, and Tacoma doesn't recommend that IIRC, but how bad is it to use in the rest of your yard? Sure, your grass clippings can end up in the compost and over to the raised beds, etc. But is this worse than commercial products. And what happens to the sludge if we don't use it. Are the chemicals then any more or less likely to find their way into groundwater? Aside from not huffing Scotch Guard, I'm not sure what I can do differently. Start making my own night soil?
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PostTue Dec 17, 2019 8:09 am 
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^ Yes, they do advise to not apply it on edible crops.
The question then, of course, is how many people are going to actually follow the instructions?

What about the person who applies it in his yard, and then moves? How does the next person occupying that piece of real estate know what's been put into the flowerbeds or gardens?

What about the woman up on the corner of 49th & B*****l who had five cubic yards of the stuff dumped on the planting strip along side her house? She and her husband raked it out, covering an area about 50 feet long x 4 feet wide - several inches deep - right next to the sloped asphalt street surface, where the rain is washing it right down into the catch basin on the corner and right down into Commencement Bay? (Oh yes... "anomalous" comes to mind.... so what about the guy three doors up from me who has 10 cubic yards of it sitting on the planting strip out in front of his house?)

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PostTue Dec 17, 2019 8:46 am 
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What about the person who applies it in his yard, and then moves? How does the next person occupying that piece of real estate know what's been put into the flowerbeds or gardens?

Yeah. That is exactly why I'm a little nervous about growing food at home. Who knows what was here before. Most of that stuff doesn't just wash away after the first rain. Or second, or 1000th. And yet, not even romaine lettuce from the grocery store is safe now. Damn the externalities, full speed ahead. But you gotta eat something. What's worse, the PFAS in our poo or the sugar in our snacks? Seems like when it comes to food and health there's always something to get excited about, but we have few tools for putting it all in perspective. Until it's too late anyway.
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PostTue Dec 17, 2019 9:00 am 
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You know... honestly... I'd worry about stuff like this but...

How many times in one lifetime can a person suffer from cancer? I've already been down that path, and they said I had 18-24 months left. That was in 2001. This is all bonus time. I should worry?

I used to live in Tillicum, right across I-5 from what is now known as "JBLM".  I was awakened one morning by a drilling operation on the adjacent parcel. They were punching holes down to about 250 feet deep, taking samples to see how far the plume of toxic chemicals had migrated from (what was then) McChord Air Force Base toward American Lake.
Considering the amount of toxins our own government has exposed us to (note the mention of fire retardants in the article cited above by Anne Elk - the same chemicals that poisoned the drinking water wells up on Whidbey Island), I am far less concerned about chemicals applied to food crops or chemicals fed to the animals I am eating, and even less by any chemicals that might be in the clothing I am wearing.

Nobody gets out of here alive. Worry = stress. Stress kills.

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PostTue Dec 17, 2019 9:13 am 
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Nobody gets out of here alive. Worry = stress. Stress kills.

Exactly - that's kind of what I was getting at.  Yet the founder of my previous company was famous for saying "only the paranoid survive".  I'm so confused!  It's making me anxious!
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PostTue Dec 24, 2019 10:10 am 
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This Brian Clement seemed to back up his talks and would debate with anyone.

Maybe you guys should message him and get back with your findings....
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