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PostThu Dec 19, 2019 6:53 am 
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The deaths at the Ice Caves have one major difference from Enchantments, Rainier and/or other alpine tragedy locations. The victims at the Ice Caves are..standing comfortably, posing or looking with awe at the structure. They are not ascending, descending or mountaineering. The objective is to eliminate the loss of life-period. On any given summer weekend, you can watch droves of all ages walking up to, in to and on top of the Caves- and they’ve all seen the extreme message on the signage. It is comparable to jay-walking; we all know the danger but pedestrians still are hit and killed by cars-because of making a judgment call instead of following the rules.
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PostThu Dec 19, 2019 7:31 am 
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At the Forest Service public hearing a couple of years ago concerning improving safety on the ice caves trail I was one of only 3 people representing the public and the only hiker there. I drove an hour and took a ferry to be there. Just sayin'.
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PostThu Dec 19, 2019 10:31 am 
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I think there were about 8 people at the one I attended; and like yours, only a few actual hikers - which non- or occasional hikers/strollers are a lot of the kinds of visitors at Big4. No but the on-line comments and ongoing pile of comments after every incident, and that Tam lawsuit combined make up for lack of bodily presence.

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PostSat Dec 21, 2019 12:44 am 
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I participated in one of the focus groups that Kim and Schroder referred to above - there were about 8 people attending.  The FS subsequently installed a bunch of new signage, and as Kim mentioned, the end of the trail there is now pretty obvious.  During the high season on weekends they even had a ranger wandering around trail's end - don't know how long they kept that up. 

The only other improvement the FS could make is to go out there in late spring and put up a free-standing cautionary sign right in front of the caves, which also mentions the number of people who died because of going in/on them.  The sign would have to be removed before winter set in.  I saw something like that in BC at a popular inlet reachable only by boat. There's a waterfall at the head of the inlet with an informal trail that goes to the top.  The wardens put up a caution sign about staying off the slippery rocks and noting how many people had died at the site.  A good video for the "kiosk" the article suggests:


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PostSat Dec 21, 2019 8:08 pm 
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zephyr wrote:
Malachai Constant wrote:
I favor removing the bridge and moving it to the Suiattle to access Lime Ridge and the PCT hockeygrin.gif

Now there's an idea.  Just do it and don't announce it--everwink.gif   It can be word of mouth for awhile...  ~z
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That'll last all is 2.3 seconds. Anyway, I hear tell that the Milk Creek Bridge is already in the works. No idea what the timeline is though.

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PostFri Dec 27, 2019 6:31 pm 
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The price of admission to LR should be crossing a sketchy log over the Suiattle.
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