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Would banning dogs on the trails in the ALW north of I-90 change your hiking habits? |
If I can't take my dog, I would go hike somewhere that I could take him/her |
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I would leave fido or fluffy at home and go hike there anyway |
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neek Member
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:43 pm
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I questioned the 1400 but one guy reported manually counting over 400 just on the return from Gem to the trailhead, so seems feasible. Most of my hiking is along I-90 and I rarely encounter much in the way of crowds. I guess it's all about timing, also knowing where to go. Had Snow Lake almost to ourselves a few months ago. Banning dogs in the ALW seems like a nonstarter to me, or at least a good way to squeeze the problem onto DNR and other neighboring land (not to mention getting folks all fired up for nothing). Off leash cats is another matter, best left to a separate thread.
Also I like how there's just 1 vote so far. Glad to see folks understand how useful "surveys" like this are.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:23 pm
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I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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Michael Lewis Taking a nap
Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 629 | TRs | Pics Location: Lynnwood, WA (for now) |
The survey needs more options to be useful. Repost it with something like:
"It won't stop me from bringing doggo. Nothing stops me."
"I would never tell lies on the internet"
"More vigorous Poo fines might curb offenders"
"Re-name it 'Dog-Pile Lake Wilderness' and continue business as usual"
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7721 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:04 pm
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Chief Joseph wrote: | Although I do occasionally hike on crowded trails for some exercise and the "Eye Candy"....and take my son's or daughters little dog with me. I have cats, haven't taken them hiking, but I hear some people do. |
neek wrote: | Banning dogs in the ALW seems like a nonstarter to me, or at least a good way to squeeze the problem onto DNR and other neighboring land (not to mention getting folks all fired up for nothing). Off leash cats is another matter, best left to a separate thread. |
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Mike Collins Member
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I have hiked with someone who climbed with his cat to the top of Sloan Peak.
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joker seeker
Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 7953 | TRs | Pics Location: state of confusion |
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:46 pm
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You left out my choice from the poll
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7700 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
My daughter had a Siamese male cat who liked to ride around on my back and actually do a circle around my neck, he would have made a great hiking companion. We would take him with us to Idaho and didn't even need a kennel, he would just hang out in the back seat. Plus, cats are advocates of the "leave no trace" policy.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Bernardo Member
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:14 pm
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I think the point of the OP in this case was not about solitude, but environmetal degradation.
In any case, I'm not a fan of restricting access to public lands.
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16092 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
We have tried hiking with a cat but we get about 10 feet then a sit down strike.
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Brian R Member
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:24 pm
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HikerJohn wrote: | My idea is simpler: what if we started by banning dogs in the ALW north of I-90? |
Does this include the increasingly popular Canis Lupus?
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:34 pm
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Bernardo wrote: | I think the point of the OP in this case was not about solitude, but environmetal degradation.
In any case, I'm not a fan of restricting access to public lands. |
OP mentioned needing to pave the trails to deal with the number of boots on the ground, and also dog poop. Personally, the way I see it, the trail is a man-made structure, damage to it isn't the same as environmental damage. Poop is. (I'm not for trail damage, but I think we silent conflate it with ecological damage.)
When I hiked to Snow Lake, a bird landed in my buddy's hand looking for food. That's bad.
It was unbelievably crowded more than a decade ago, and nobody had even heard of Instagram yet. I don't know how that's possible.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:35 pm
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Brian R wrote: | Does this include the increasingly popular Canis Lupus? |
Sure. Let's pass a law telling wolves they're not allowed within these borders. We can also make a law saying poison ivy isn't allowed to make people itch.
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Brian R Member
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:47 pm
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If a certain area code has its way, everything will soon be illegal in Washington State.
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Kim Brown Member
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HikerJohn wrote: | My idea is simpler: what if we started by banning dogs in the ALW north of I-90? |
I don't think that would be simpler. The trails feeding into the PCT would allow dogs because dogs are allowed on the PCT. Those trails would have to be defined - and some people would reason that all trails lead to the PCT, so those people would have to be policed and ticketed.
It would be simpler to continue education efforts, and if dog damage is against a regulation, enforce that regulation instead of a more unwieldy, more unpopular, and more polarizing "no dogs allowed" regulation.
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Chief Joseph Member
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Malachai Constant wrote: | We have tried hiking with a cat but we get about 10 feet then a sit down strike. |
Herding cats is a difficult endeavor, my daughter and I used to take the siamese and his tuxedo brother for walks around the block (off leash) at night when the traffic was light, they would follow us anywhere.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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