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PostThu Jan 09, 2020 5:45 pm 
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How many lettuce/salad threads do we need?  hmmm.gif

I keep checking for snow this Sunday...in Green Bay, Wisconsin! Go ‘Hawks!  drink.gif

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PostThu Jan 09, 2020 6:31 pm 
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If we go on about it here, there'd be complaining about drift.

I play by the suggested rules, make a new thread to offload the drift, then you complain about too many threads.

The actual problem is obvious.

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PostThu Jan 09, 2020 10:21 pm 
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I skied Kendall Lake Road yesterday, and I don't think I've seen it quite like that. No poop (that is a different thread). What I was was plenty of bare ground next to four foot piles of firm snow. It kinda makes sense given the winter we've had. We really didn't have a tolerant base to begin with, so the warmth melted some areas to the ground. I think some of these bare spots were essentially streams, so the water washed away the wet snow. But nearby, the snow just got heavier. It was strange skiing, as there were big piles in places, and nothing in others.

Anyway, I hope it all gets buried soon. While I was skiing I noticed the temperatures dropping. Towards the afternoon it was snowing hard. Still not a lot of new snow (five inches, apparently) but at least it is cold. It should get another foot or so pretty soon.

I do think this will be a weird year as far as snowpack, with some lower elevation places having hardly anything, and some higher places having a ton. It may all average out (we've barely started winter) but so far that is what it looks like.
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PostThu Jan 09, 2020 10:38 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
If we go on about it here, there'd be complaining about drift.

I play by the suggested rules, make a new thread to offload the drift, then you complain about too many threads.

The actual problem is obvious.

I agree.

Some simply have egos that are too large to fit within the sites bandwidth.  wink.gif

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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 6:43 am 
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We got about 2 "s in may creek yesterday morning that melted by afternoon. It never changed to rain. Woke up to another inch today. I fear are remaining lettuce in the garden is frozen. The kale might survive.
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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 6:53 am 
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Kale is tough or was it chard?   It survived all year in my west side garden but was too tough to eat.  It was kind of pretty. 

No snow here yet.  They've upped the amount.  I'll get my Barbie Snow Gauges ready.

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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 7:50 am 
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rossb wrote:
Anyway, I hope it all gets buried soon. While I was skiing I noticed the temperatures dropping. Towards the afternoon it was snowing hard. Still not a lot of new snow (five inches, apparently) but at least it is cold. It should get another foot or so pretty soon.

I do think this will be a weird year as far as snowpack, with some lower elevation places having hardly anything, and some higher places having a ton. It may all average out (we've barely started winter) but so far that is what it looks like.

It certainly is, cold and snowy in very early October, then basically nothing but for a two foot storm in December below 4500-6500' and that with torrential rains. And now this. The amount of snowfall looks phenomenal especially at Rainier.

Avalanche hazard will be tricky because in some areas there was ice from the last rain and a minimal transition to shallow low density snow. That was subjected to cold temperatures which should make the bond worse. Now a big dump of cold snow, especially problematic with forecast winds. Persistent slab with cold temperatures.

At higher elevations - like 4700' at Baker, 4800-5800' in the Central Cascades, and maybe 6000-6500' at Paradise the bond should be somewhat better without the ice problem, but we will still see persistent windslab from the coming snow and wind.
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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 10:12 am 
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I'm less than a rank amateur at judging avalanche hazards. BUT.... from what I can tell we've got a big hunk of hard frozen icy crud, rain +freeze +wind polish over the top of that, and now the promise of a big ol' pile o' powder on top.

I'm not planning on taking any chances any time soon, and I would not be surprised if that unstable layer remains a problem through the season. That's one moron's take on it anyway.

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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 10:37 am 
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The NWAC forecast discussions mention things like very wide propagation of slab fractures and such as of earlier yesterday. Not a wild shock given how fast and sometimes windy the  new snow is coming in.

I'm seeing on a SWE map that  we're at about 75% of normal for most of what looks like about Mt Rainier and northward.

Oh, and I know this will be a shock and a surprise, i90 is currently closed eastbound "due to vehicle spinouts  blocking the roadway." It's looking a lot like modern winter in the Cascades...
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 10:49 am 
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On days when snoqualmie pass gets absolutely dumped on, they should just outright ban anything less than awd.  No trucks and no 2wd.

With the pass closing in on 3 inches of SWE already, this storm is kicking some major butt though.

Id like to get up there today or tomorrow at some point but if not, this still sets us in great shape for the rest of the season so i am still quite pleased.
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 11:23 am 
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I'm wondering whether perhaps some folks made their way up before  the chain check (which  DOT says is now in place) was started this morning, or if some people somehow slipped by w/o  chains, or if these  are all awd spinouts (or some combination thereof). Seems like chain checks have helped a lot with preventing this when they get started quickly enough.
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 am 
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BTW the pass is open again in both directions, with WSP doing chain checks. If it stays open for the rest of the day, it may be an indicator of the  effectiveness of said  checks.
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 12:41 pm 
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The snow depth guages at snoqualmie pass are climbing faster than core temperature guages at chernobyl!   Theres way more snow than i originally thought and I thought it would be a lot!
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 6:52 pm 
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joker wrote:
BTW the pass is open again in both directions, with WSP doing chain checks. If it stays open for the rest of the day, it may be an indicator of the  effectiveness of said  checks.

It closed again.  It was snowing incredibly heavily (powdery snow).  My fat BC skis had almost no floatation, it seemed like about a foot and a half of fresh, as of 3 pm.

Edit to add: last weekend I saw a number of chains on the highway.  I don't think people are great at putting them on and some must have been installed wrong and come off.  Also while most people agree that slow is the order of the day, there are always a few people who just can't drive at a reasonable speed even in a winter storm.
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 7:19 pm 
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Need that 8 wheel drive...

Found pretty poorly bonded powder on a firm crust in the trees around smithbrook. Pie on crust on saturated in the open.... yesterday.
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