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Jeff Member
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:10 pm
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InFlight coated in DEET
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:37 pm
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Washington allows the socks for chains required.
The socks might make the most sense on low-profile tires, where regularly chains might damage the rims. For 50+ series tires, chains are likely more effective for larger variety of conditions and last longer.
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Ski ><((((°>
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Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:31 pm
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I looked on a couple of the other sites I haunt, Jeff, and all I found was a link to a YouTube video which was essentially just a sales pitch.
Trying to think of where you'd want to look for feedback. Snowmobile crowd? Skiiers?
BK
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Malachai Constant Member
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I have diamond chains, they are more expensive than ladder chains but to not raise as much. Many cars now do not have enough clearance throw unless the suspension is modified which can lead to center of gravity problems. You can take what I say with a grain of salt as my cars are 4Runner and full sized pick up.
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:30 pm
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InFlight wrote: | Washington allows the socks for chains required. |
I cannot imagine why - both why they're allowed, and why anyone would use 'em. Tire "socks" immediately should indicate no better traction than street tires in wet snow. If whatever your car is wearing for shoes doesn't bite down hard, it's generally going to be useless for traction in west coast snow and ice. IMHO, that is...
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ejain Member
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:43 am
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I have a pair, but have only put them on once, to make sure they fit... I don't expect that they would be much help in deep snow, or very durable. They do however fulfill the chain requirements in WA, while taking up no space :-)
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Randito Snarky Member
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:20 am
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moonspots wrote: | If whatever your car is wearing for shoes doesn't bite down hard, it's generally going to be useless for traction in west coast snow and ice. IMHO, that is... |
Apparently you've never used climbing skins...
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:11 am
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RandyHiker wrote: | moonspots wrote: | If whatever your car is wearing for shoes doesn't bite down hard, it's generally going to be useless for traction in west coast snow and ice. IMHO, that is... |
Apparently you've never used climbing skins... |
No, I have not. However, the torque put on tires vs that put on skis is significantly greater. So once they "break loose" (by applying torque, attempting to gain/re-gain traction), I would have to say the ever so slight mechanical advantage of "socks" (over bare tires) would be seriously overwhelmed by the power being applied to the wheels, and they would just spin. As in the referenced link earlier.
I've used chains in west coast snow, in the Rockies on snow/ice, and have even spun tires (briefly on deep snow) with chains on which have a good amount of 'bite", so this leads me to guess that socks would not be all that useful.
Anyway, that's my opinion, based on experience with chains, which I would believe will offer far more traction than "socks", but not on experience with the devices in question.
And I may be wrong on this, it's happened before, and if so, then I'll learn something. But for now, my life experience tells me that socks would be a waste of money.
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Randito Snarky Member
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:56 am
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moonspots wrote: | However, the torque put on tires vs that put on skis is significantly greater |
Only if you drive like a Los Angeleno. One that presses the accelerator more and more when the car doesn't leap forward.
I helped such a driver at Hyak recently. After pulling them out of a high center with my tow rope and getting them back on the plowed, but still snow covered road, they immediately slid off to the edge again by gunning the engine. I asked them to let me drive, with a gentle touch on the accelerator and patience I drove their rental FWD minivan with bald tires up the snow covered road until reaching bare pavement (only 200 feet) and tried to communicate they should drive as if they had a raw egg between their foot and the pedals. Their English was limited, but not as limited as my Mandarin.
IME experience studless snow tires make a huge difference, more than AWD in terms of starting and STOPPING.
Carrying chains (or approved traction devices in WSDOT speak) is mostly a WSDOT requirements issue, this season has had an unusually high number of days with "chains required, except AWD". A more typical year it usually less than a handful.
For getting unstuck in a snowy parking lot, I've found my avalanche shovel and couple of rubber door mats to be useful and less futzing than putting on chains. The door mats are also great for changing in/out of ski boots.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:59 pm
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RandyHiker wrote: | The door mats are also great for changing in/out of ski boots. |
Huh. Why didn't I think of that? I always balance next to the car when I do it. Thanks for the tip!
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