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PostTue Feb 25, 2020 9:50 am 
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I get that. The purpose of backcountry is a place where not too many people access the resource.

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PostWed Feb 26, 2020 5:45 pm 
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I doubt that there are many runners among those of us with fused ankles.  The foot has almost zero flexion.
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PostWed Feb 26, 2020 5:58 pm 
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nordique wrote:
I doubt that there are many runners among those of us with fused ankles.  The foot has almost zero flexion.

I wonder if it possible for "blade runners" ala Oscar Pistorius to be constructed to allow folks with fused ankles to run.
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 2:06 pm 
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Hiking exoskeleton's are coming, and they will not be allowed in Wilderness or on non-motorized trails outside of Wilderness.

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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 3:16 pm 
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they will not be allowed in Wilderness or on non-motorized trails outside of Wilderness

I can see this being challenged by someone with a disability & I can also see the Forest Service amending the rules under the ADA for these.
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 3:51 pm 
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Schroder wrote:
I can see this being challenged by someone with a disability & I can also see the Forest Service amending the rules under the ADA for these.

How will forest authorities know if the person using it is truly disabled or just lazy?

What happens when the exoskeletons are non-noticeable, have excellent range, and more and more non-disabled hikers use them to get deeper into Wilderness?
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 4:03 pm 
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They will be required to display one of these.


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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 4:09 pm 
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Exoskeletons are a slippery slope.  Next thing disabled people will want is the ability to ride a non-motorized bicycle into some Wilderness areas... if they consider a bicycle their mobility device. And they will want to pedal e-bikes on non-motorized trails outside of Wilderness  biggrin.gif
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 5:41 pm 
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Muir fan wrote:
What happens when the exoskeletons are non-noticeable, have excellent range, and more and more non-disabled hikers use them to get deeper into Wilderness?

If they ever get to that point, it will need to be addressed.   It will likely be addressed in a similar manner to how regulation if mountain biking was addressed.   During the '80s as mountain bikes grew in capability and folks started using them to travel wilderness trails and other folks started noticing and raising the issue with the land managers, eventually updated regulations were issued and recorded in the CFR.  Mountain bike riders were upset of course.

Of course the "non-noticable" aspect is tricky.  Currently there are "stealth" eBikes that are hard to identify as such, until they whizz past at high speed, piloted by a guy with a "keg" instead of a six pack that is barely pedaling.
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 6:16 pm 
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Here's simplified guide on ADA and Wilderness Areas and why the disabled can't drive a 4-wheeler into a Wilderness area

Department of Justice ADA Rule on Mobility Devices and How it Applies


and why an exoskeleton might be permitted

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b)(1) Use of other power-driven mobility
devices. “An entity shall make reasonable
modifications in its policies, practices, or
procedures to permit the use of other powerdriven mobility devices by individuals with
mobility disabilities,
 unless the entity can demonstrate that the
class of other power-driven mobility devices
cannot be operated in accordance with
legitimate safety requirements.”
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 6:17 pm 
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Sign me up in 10-20 years.
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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 8:08 pm 
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I still say that pack looks awfully heavy.

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PostSat Mar 07, 2020 8:43 pm 
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I use a squad of drones to carry the pack for me.
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PostSun Mar 08, 2020 1:42 am 
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Cyclopath wrote:
I use a squad of drones to carry the pack for me.

Ahhhhh, now you’re thinking!

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PostSun Mar 08, 2020 8:08 pm 
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Muir fan wrote:
Schroder wrote:
I can see this being challenged by someone with a disability & I can also see the Forest Service amending the rules under the ADA for these.

How will forest authorities know if the person using it is truly disabled or just lazy?

What happens when the exoskeletons are non-noticeable, have excellent range, and more and more non-disabled hikers use them to get deeper into Wilderness?


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They will be required to display one of these.


The ADA is pretty powerful and also big on "rights" of privacy, blending in, not being hassled, not being asked questions, etc, etc of disabled people.

They would pretty much prefer having 50 untrained, poorly groomed, fake service dogs to one real one than require some sort of certification and training requirements for people that have legit service dogs.

Anything only "disabled" people are allowed to use pretty much means anyone who doesnt mind saying they are disabled.  The only reason parking is different is because parking is limited.
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