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PostFri May 08, 2020 11:30 am 
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treeswarper wrote:
... something about the Netherlands....

somebody on some website on the interwebz wrote:
Netherlands has a mean elevation of 98.5 feet (30 meters) above sea level and the lowest point is -7 meters at Zuidplaspolder, while the highest point is Mount Scenery reaching 2,877 feet (862 meters) above sea level.

Most of the urban areas in the Netherlands are on flat ground. The Netherlands is not Seattle. Or Tacoma. Or most anywhere else west of the Rockies.

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PostFri May 08, 2020 11:36 am 
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I'm gonna ride thru there faster than the car speed limit. They better get out of my way

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PostFri May 08, 2020 11:56 am 
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Most of the urban areas in the Netherlands are on flat ground. The Netherlands is not Seattle. Or Tacoma. Or most anywhere else west of the Rockies.

For what it's worth, flat ground is boring to ride on, like it is to ski on.  The uphill makes you stronger whether you like it or not, the downhill puts a smile on your face.  Hills are good for views, too.
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That may well be true for avid cyclists, but for the rest of us, it makes using a bicycle exclusively as a means of transportation not a viable option And unfortunately, because of the way in which we've set up our infrastucture in this country, with residential housing developments far away from shopping centers and other necessities, the automobile has become a necessary evil.

(And make no mistake - I spent my entire working career in the automotive industry, and I hate cars and all they stand for and all they did to this country - for far too many reasons to list here. I'm just trying to point out that the notion that bicycles are a viable option to replace the automobile in current-day America is folly.)

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PostFri May 08, 2020 1:27 pm 
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These maps cover 11 of the 20 miles currently closed.  It sounds like more may follow.

Ballard
Ballard
West Seattle Delridge
West Seattle Delridge
Central District
Central District
Lake City
Lake City
Licton
Licton

I rode Holman Road once, it's a good thing they're closing a nearby road to guide cyclists away from this high speed high traffic route.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 4:06 pm 
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Most of the urban areas in the Netherlands are on flat ground. The Netherlands is not Seattle. Or Tacoma. Or most anywhere else west of the Rockies.

For what it's worth, flat ground is boring to ride on, like it is to ski on.  The uphill makes you stronger whether you like it or not, the downhill puts a smile on your face.  Hills are good for views, too.

Just because Holland is flat, don't assume the riding is easy peasy.  There are often strong winds and unlike climbing a long grade with the sure knowledge of gliding back down,  winds can die or even reverse direction.

Developing the mental muscles to overcome boredom requires training just as developing physical muscles to ride or hike hills with enjoyment instead of dread.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 4:12 pm 
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FWIW: I rode the 520 and I90 bridge paths today and through the new path in the arboretum and down Lake Washington blvd.  Lovely and not crowded.  Madrone park and beach had quite few sunbathers.  Also the public restrooms at Madrona and Mercer Island Lid park were open.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 4:19 pm 
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Most of the urban areas in the Netherlands are on flat ground. The Netherlands is not Seattle. Or Tacoma. Or most anywhere else west of the Rockies.

That's why we have....E-bikes!  Hills are no longer an excuse.


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PostFri May 08, 2020 5:52 pm 
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PostFri May 08, 2020 5:55 pm 
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I think the roads they're closing are generally flat, is that right?

This isn't really for bike transportation, it's for recreation.  Especially for kids.

We close miles of Lake Washington Blvd on Sundays in the summer, families come from all of over the city, you'll see more kids on bikes there than anywhere else.  Because their parents don't fear for their lives from cars.  Even though part of the closure is open to local traffic.  These new closures will be similar.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 6:10 pm 
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Sounds like a great idea to me. Getting from 90 to 520 always seemed like Russian roulette only time it wasn’t bike Sunday. up.gif

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PostFri May 08, 2020 8:59 pm 
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Lake City
Lake City
Licton
Licton



The Lake City streets marked have been loaded with speed bumps for a while so it was already like they didn't want people driving those streets.

As far as the Licton area, Fremont is already the route of the interurban south of 110th. Loads of speed bumps and south of 105th there is a roundabout with East/West stop signs at almost every intersection. 100th is more recent, in the last year they've put a ton of suspension breaking speedbumps and made it hard to get on or off the street at Aurora and Greenwood. Before the virus I rarely saw anybody using these streets, not sure how it is now but I'm sure the traffic is up. Again they seemed to already not want anyone driving these roads beforehand.

In the last couple years they've really made it clear that they don't want cars driving on the side streets, yet they can't upgrade to modern stoplights to improve flow and keep people off the side streets. Some of those roads are full of potholes and need to be replaced (Dayton between 125th and 117th) but instead of spending money on that they install dozens of speedbumps every day (exaggeration). Also what's with spending money on installing roundabouts and then later turning them into a four way stop? Seems like some really poor planning.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 9:11 pm 
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Malachai Constant wrote:
Sounds like a great idea to me. Getting from 90 to 520 always seemed like Russian roulette only time it wasn’t bike Sunday. up.gif

???  Bicycle Sunday never closed that section of Lake Washington blvd -- The section from Mt Baker Beach to Seward Park is the section closed on Bicycle Sunday's.

The bicycle Sundays are fantastic for families with kids still learning how to ride. 

In general. I've found that the roads in Seattle that are "Olmstead Legacy" roads have less "Entitled Driver" issues than roads in Seattle generally -- unfortunately in Seattle, Redmond and Bellevue there are too many drivers that seem to think that having to slow down for 30 seconds in order to safely pass a cyclist is a crime against humanity.
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PostFri May 08, 2020 9:19 pm 
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You are probably right I was mixing it up with Ottawa where there were parallel trails (always crowded) on Sunday the closed the roads and the fast bikers took the roads. I haven’t did the loop since they opened the 520 bike lane. I just remembered getting to the BG Trail from 90 was always the pits.

Hey, at least when I am wrong I admit it right away rather that making 9 posts saying black is white. redface.gif

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PostSat May 09, 2020 7:55 am 
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The connection between Leschi and the Burke-Gilman has been improved in recent years.  There is now a bike trail through the arboretum and a very new pathway through the Montlake/ 520 construction zone.   There are still a bit of no shoulder road riding, but far less than 5 years ago.
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