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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 3:05 pm 
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Who benefits from more people being outside? More people do!

This goes without saying. I was speaking specifically around entities who are profiteering from "getting people outside" with no sense of responsibility for managing these crowds. I'm certainly not advocating for exclusion, I would argue what is "selfish and exclusionary" is those folks who believe that hiking trails are an extension of their local nightclub complete with loud music, yelling, foul language and poop.

Its not about having the outdoors to yourself, on the contrary, it's about sharing the outdoors with a mutually agreed respect for the environment and other people. This "should" be standard common sense but seems not so in 2020, perhaps its the entitled "i do what i want" attitudes which we are witnessing play out at scale in other aspects of society i.e. the US proving its 'exceptionalism' for Covid-19 cases.

As a data point, I witnessed a yelling match at 6am on Sat morning at the Mailbox Peak TH as several cars were vying for the last parking spot. Judging by the anger and language used you would think it was the last spot on Noahs Ark before the great flood. Is this 'Black Friday' circus what we want our backcountry to become, I know I don't. In hindsight I should have filmed it and posted it to the Washington Hikers/Climbers Facebook.
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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 8:30 pm 
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Hearing horror stories outta Blanca lake of late. 200+ on the shore! People hiking through campsites!! Difficulty taking pictures that don't feature humans!! Boomboxes.

Never been there!! I consider myself too good for that.

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PostMon Jul 27, 2020 11:25 pm 
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Hearing horror stories outta Blanca lake of late. 200+ on the shore! People hiking through campsites!! Difficulty taking pictures that don't feature humans!! Boomboxes.

Never been there!! I consider myself too good for that.

Hearing this about a lot of places lately.

My annual week long backpacking trip with old friends is coming up in a couple weeks.  We have been planning to revisit one of our favorite areas in the ALW.  In the past when we've gone there (it's been a decade or more) there was never more than one other group there.   I noticed a couple weeks ago that this place had attracted the attention of NWH&C.  A couple people posted some very pretty pictures and talked about the location and the posts were followed up with a whole slew of "gotta go there" and "this is on my list now" type posts.  Sure enough, check WTA trip reports today and there have been multiple TRs from this area the last couple of weeks with several noting how many people were there, difficulties finding a place to camp, and one guy complaining about all the trash he found.

Breaks my heart.  Used to be a lonely place and it's not a real easy hike in - 12 miles one way with significant elevation gain on a scrambly, crappy, dry, exposed trail for the last 3 miles.  Used to be distances like that kept the hordes away but I guess not any more.

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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 10:43 am 
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Bedivere wrote:
12 miles one way with significant elevation gain on a scrambly, crappy, dry, exposed trail for the last 3 miles.  Used to be distances like that kept the hordes away but I guess not any more.

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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 10:59 am 
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Unfortunately people are getting healthier and fitter.   frown.gif
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Unfortunately people are getting healthier and fitter.   frown.gif

LOL..  and there are a LOT more of them than there were in the early '90s when I started backpacking regularly.

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PostTue Jul 28, 2020 11:46 am 
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Maybe they could come up with a vaccine?

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http://chng.it/RL5ZynQB

Created a petition to ban geotagging/hot spotting on wh&c I know many of their own members are annoyed with the negative effects the group has. Looking for revisions and editing from anyone willing to help make it more successful.
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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 4:24 pm 
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Anyone else find it a bit ironic that an Internet Group base on hiking that also shares info on places to go is complaining about another Internet Group that does the same thing? I mean, I know people here are better than them and possibly an elite group as well. rolleyes.gif

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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 4:42 pm 
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dixon wrote:
How many of these social media addicts would be doing stuff outdoors if there wasn't "credit" to be had? Probably next to none as noone there to see their "achievements".

This is pure speculation. But let me counter your speculation with my own. I am betting almost no one does this only for the selfie and social media status.

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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 4:43 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
Anyone else find it a bit ironic that an Internet Group base on hiking that also shares info on places to go is complaining about another Internet Group that does the same thing? I mean, I know people here are better than them and possibly an elite group as well. rolleyes.gif

+1

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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 5:02 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
Anyone else find it a bit ironic that an Internet Group base on hiking that also shares info on places to go is complaining about another Internet Group that does the same thing? I mean, I know people here are better than them and possibly an elite group as well. rolleyes.gif

Not sure if you’re in that group of 100,000 people but the type of people in it don’t understand the concept of not shitting on the side of a trail or camping right on a lake shore. It has nothing to do with elitism and everything to do with making it harder for the assholes who don’t know proper LNT out of more delicate areas. Obviously posting in this group majority of individuals are overall more educated and understand how to be good stewards in comparison to that massive group of herd hikers.
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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 5:30 pm 
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But not smarter nor more caring of the environment nor other hikers.
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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 5:37 pm 
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Chief Joseph wrote:
Anyone else find it a bit ironic that an Internet Group base on hiking that also shares info on places to go is complaining about another Internet Group that does the same thing? I mean, I know people here are better than them and possibly an elite group as well. rolleyes.gif

Yes.
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PostMon Aug 03, 2020 6:01 pm 
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Noheaperture wrote:
Not sure if you’re in that group of 100,000 people but the type of people in it don’t understand the concept of not shitting on the side of a trail or camping right on a lake shore.

This statement is actually laughable.

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