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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 3:59 pm 
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I doubt a the USFS or NPS would levy this large a fine against a concessionaire are for similar offense.

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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:08 pm 
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Your title is off by about 6 orders of magnitude
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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:27 pm 
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Oops. Thanks neek. I got busy wrestling autocorrect over CDN and missed that Iíd also removed the M.

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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:42 pm 
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$55,263.00 CND per tree / $41,186.09 USD per tree  eek.gif

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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:57 pm 
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Want to bet in the application to use Crown lands concessionaire touted their environmental expertise and best management  practices.
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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 5:54 pm 
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Despite all their whining about the "excessive" fine, I suspect it's still chump change to the LL Ski Resort Corporation relative to how much they rake in every year.  The fine is likely even tax deductible.  This is what corporations often do: whatever they want and then just build in the expected fine as the cost of doing business.   huh.gif

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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 6:08 pm 
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Lake Louise ski area is somewhat unique ski area in Canada in that it is in a national park (unlike Whistler or Revelstoke). Canada may impose the fine here but do they even care what happens on the rest of their crown land that is not in a national or provincial park? Seems way more relaxed environmental laws overall compared to the various laws in the US that apply to federal lands.
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PostThu Jul 30, 2020 6:19 pm 
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altasnob wrote:
Seems way more relaxed environmental laws overall compared to the various laws in the US that apply to federal lands.

They don't have regulatory bodies like the EPA et al, like we do. It's always been my understanding that they let logging companies (et al) police themselves. But the First Nations People seem to have a better scorecard than American Natives in fighting for their land/resource rights, at least in BC, the twinning of the southern pipeline to Burnaby notwithstanding.  The Northern tribes did well keeping a pipeline and tanker traffic out of the Great Bear Rainforest.

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PostFri Jul 31, 2020 9:40 am 
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$55,263.00 CND per tree / $41,186.09 USD per tree  eek.gif

Is that too much disincentive to break the law?  Maybe the court should pay them for illegal behavior instead?

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Lake Louiseís lawyer argued the fine was Ďgrossly disproportional and demonstrably unfití as a result of remediation efforts the resort took after the trees were cut down.

This is like saying I set my house on fire for the insurance, but I tried to put my neighbor's house out when it caught, so I shouldn't face any real penalty.
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PostFri Jul 31, 2020 9:47 am 
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Not my problem

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