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PostTue Apr 28, 2020 9:50 pm 
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Sitting in the hot tub a couple nights ago and counted 27 satellites in a row. All appearing equal distances apart and traveling @ the same speed and on the same latitude line west to east.

Some brighter than others. My amateur guess is that some were at different altitudes

I see satellites all the time, but, no rhyme or reason for the direction they travel. Criss-crossing the sky in all types of directions.

This is the first time I've ever noticed satellites with a pattern like this.

Any guesses?

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PostTue Apr 28, 2020 9:56 pm 
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They are Musks new communication satellites.

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PostTue Apr 28, 2020 10:14 pm 
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There are about 200 in the sky right now...out of a planned number that might be 20,000!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink

And that is just ONE company; others are planning for more.  Goodbye silent and dark night skies!
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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 4:22 am 
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Hello to paranoid crybabies. There is no reason to think ordinary people will have their night sky ruined. This is just more of people looking for something, anything, to whine about.

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With StarLink TicTok users will be able to post videos from the DRC, Yemen, Syria, Iran, The PRC, North Korea, etc without government interference,  they will have to endure ads trying to sell them the last thing they bought on Amazon however.
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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 6:29 am 
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hahaha, cabin fever in late April.
OK, I'll bite:
Sure, and light pollution is nothing to complain about either...just something else people like to whine about. I noticed you found something to whine about too. tongue.gif

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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 8:12 am 
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catsp wrote:
Starlink

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Thanks. Describes exactly what we witnessed

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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 10:39 am 
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Slugman wrote:
Hello to paranoid crybabies. There is no reason to think ordinary people will have their night sky ruined. This is just more of people looking for something, anything, to whine about.

No reason at all. A handfull of the satellites proposed does this.


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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 12:05 pm 
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why does a communications satellite have to move?
those BIG ones up there now dont move!!
last i looked telstar or westar are still in the same place as last year and the year before!
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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 12:15 pm 
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cdestroyer wrote:
why does a communications satellite have to move?
those BIG ones up there now dont move!!
last i looked telstar or westar are still in the same place as last year and the year before!

Geostationary satellites orbit at high alititude 22,000 miles or so -- that is far enough away that it introduces delay in the communications (540 milliseconds for a round trip).   A half second delay isn't a big deal for human to human voice communications.   

Unfortunately for data transmission, particularly for secure protocols like PPTP this results is very low bandwidth. 

So a network of low earth orbit satellites offer greater speed and bandwidth.   Also it far cheaper to place a satellite in low earth orbit and the antenna size and power required for the  ground based unit is much much less when the satellites are in low earth orbit than for satellites 22,000+ miles from earth.
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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 9:51 pm 
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Slugman wrote:
Hello to paranoid crybabies. There is no reason to think ordinary people will have their night sky ruined. This is just more of people looking for something, anything, to whine about.

You must be a hit at parties.
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PostWed Apr 29, 2020 10:39 pm 
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Slugman wrote:
Hello to paranoid crybabies. There is no reason to think ordinary people will have their night sky ruined. This is just more of people looking for something, anything, to whine about.

Wha.....I wasn’t whining or crying.  Just facts, m’aam.

I guess your “no reason to think people will have their night sky ruined” would be true if you lived in the Puget Sound.  Or, other large city.  Or, never looked up at the night sky.

For the rest of us...not so.
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PostThu Apr 30, 2020 10:54 am 
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Randito wrote:
secure protocols like PPTP

lol
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PostThu Apr 30, 2020 12:05 pm 
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neek wrote:
Randito wrote:
secure protocols like PPTP

lol

Whether PPTP can be hacked is beside the point.    The latency that results from altitude of geostationary communications satellites interfere with bandwidth.

In the early 2000's the house I lived in was just outside range of DSL service at that time -- so I used a satellite service.    Bandwidth for general internet access worked decently well for the era -- however connecting to my employer's VPN (that used PPTP) resulted in cutting bandwidth by a factor of 10.   Rendering it slower that using a dial-up modem.

Besides "secure" network protocols are a bit like bike locks in NYC.   Any lock can be broken by a professional bike thief.   The NSA, other governmental agencies and sophisticated criminals can hack any protocol.
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