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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 10:07 am 
Brushbuffalo wrote:
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I am sure he never took in the outdoor beauty of the area
You have zero knowledge of the runner. How are you "sure"? This is one of the most popular myths held by non- runners about trail runners. We get to experience and marvel at more beauty in less time.
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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 10:16 am 
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Making all sorts of assumptions and estimates, I'd put this at 15 mcal (15,000 Calories). The energy equivalent of 2 kg of fat. Or 58 Clif bars. Pretty cool.
Agree. Its in that ballpark. An immense daily effort!

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 11:29 am 
Why do I not care how quickly someone can hurry through beautiful mountainous back-country?

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 12:49 pm 
pula58 wrote:
Why do I not care how quickly someone can hurry through beautiful mountainous back-country?
Not sure why. But Tyler Green did it even faster yesterday. 16:40:41

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 12:56 pm 
thunderhead wrote:
neek wrote:
Making all sorts of assumptions and estimates, I'd put this at 15 mcal (15,000 Calories). The energy equivalent of 2 kg of fat. Or 58 Clif bars. Pretty cool.
Agree. Its in that ballpark. An immense daily effort!
Joules, please?

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 4:58 pm 
pula58 wrote:
Why do I not care how quickly someone can hurry through beautiful mountainous back-country?
Why do you care to comment or even read about it? And just as unimportant, why am I writing this comment? Crazy times call for crazy amusement. I'll go back to "What's this rock? What's that landform?"

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 5:07 pm 
Owler wrote:
But Tyler Green did it even faster yesterday. 16:40:41
Haha, I thought for sure this would hold through the season.
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Why do you care to comment or even read about it? And just as unimportant, why am I writing this comment?
I feel strangely compelled to comment as well. queiorpdamvkckao,mvcx.sierulkmd!!

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 5:19 pm 
Kaitlyn Gerbin is going for the women’s FKT tomorrow...

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 5:29 pm 
neek wrote:
I would perhaps be more impressed by a self-supported effort. He had a support team and 4 resupplies. Standard practice, I know. That's just personal preference.
The fastest unsupported time on the Wonderland is 22 hours 23 minutes: https://fastestknowntime.com/fkt/john-maxwell-wonderland-trail-wa-2019-08-05 Nearly six hours slower is a bigger difference than I’d expect. Having to carry more stuff and feed yourself is surely a factor but I also wonder if the really elite athletes are all going for the supported time, and the unsupported time might be a little softer. I certainly don’t know, I couldn’t do it close to that fast. I’m glad people can though, it’s awesome.

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 6:22 pm 
Kaytlyn will destroy the FKT. She is one of the best in the world. For those of you who are uninterested, just stop reading now. ( which means of course you will keep on, and complain how stupid trail running and FKT is). Any group I run with, I stress yielding to hikers. And I tell the same to the trail runners I meet who I don't know. Everyone enjoy yourselves out there.

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 6:25 pm 
Secret Agent Man wrote:
also wonder if the really elite athletes are all going for the supported time
For sure! The big guns go for supported FKTs, others just go. Supported is much easier and faster. But it is always hard. Yes, we do see the views!

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 6:37 pm 
Brushbuffalo wrote:
For those of you who are uninterested, just stop reading now. ( which means of course you will keep on, and complain how stupid trail running and FKT is). Any group I run with, I stress yielding to hikers. And I tell the same to the trail runners I meet who I don't know.
Trail runners do a lot of volunteer trail work. It started as a requirement for races but it spread out through the community and became an ethic, I know people who run on trails, never race, but do trail maintenance. Variety is the spice of life.

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 10:23 pm 
This is an impressive accomplishment, but really a big yawn for about 99.9999 percent of his fellow countrymen. Still, I don't begrudge anyone their right to experience wilderness any way they like--as long as it doesn't damage the landscape or interfere with the ability of others to travel safely. This means I won't be stepping off the trail for any trail runner hordes. Hence, trail runners should not factor any sort of red-carpet treatment into their FKT Strava glory dreams. They just aren't that important. I remain concerned that this growing trend will hasten the movement to restrict day hikes.

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 10:29 pm 
I get that going fast is another form of hiking, having done the Wonderland in just a few days and enjoyed them despite the "speed". It the bragging that bugs me. It's an anathema to the wilderness experience. Same with the Bulger "slams" or "conquering" a peak. They are such macho, aggressive terms.

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PostTue Aug 25, 2020 10:52 pm 
To each their own..."It's about the experience, not the destination"...if running through the wilderness is a great experience to you, more power to you. It's like "Peak Bagging"...I don't have that mentality, so if I stop 50 feet or whatever from the summit, I don't care, I am there for the experience, exercise, fresh air, and the views.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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