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PostMon Oct 11, 2021 12:34 pm 
Skulpin: They could put up some information on why and how the area was cut. Just look at all the guesses on this thread and all the "outrage" caused by folks who do not know how the decision was made, what the silvicultural prescription was, etc. I cannot help that they are a corporation, however, I think a heck of a lot of people on this forum probably work for evil corporations. rolleyes.gif A small time tree farmer--a friend of mine. had an area of barely merch trees clearcut. It was full of trees that were damaged by bears. The bear damage caused scarring, which lessened the value and also caused a slowdown in the growth of the trees. The advice, from an educated, genuine, real world forester was to cut it and start over. This advice was followed and the area was replanted to D. fir and cedar. Alder will fill in naturally as will hemlock. Some bear control measures were taken and then the new seedlings were tubed to protect from browsing deer and elk. Deer and elk are the major threats to reforestation on that location. Then, later on, the bears arrive when there is more tree to supply them with nourishment in the spring. At that point, bear food is put out and keeps the bears from girdling the trees for food. That was the reasoning behind clearcutting their trees. Weyco could let folks know their reasoning.

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PostMon Oct 11, 2021 12:41 pm 
Malachai Constant wrote:
Confirmed, bare slope well down south slope they left half a dozen trees on the ridge either for later yarding or something sure they will blow down with first winter storm with south wind. frown.gif
Wildlife and soils folks like those trees to blow down. Non wildlife people then call the blowdown, rat logs. Sometimes they don't blow down. A lot of us were surprised when wildlife trees left standing on an exposed slope did not blow down. The area was cut in the 1980s and now there are some scattered very large trees in the midst of second growth. This can be seen from Highway 12 on the north side near Morton.

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PostMon Oct 11, 2021 1:52 pm 
I do not really give a stuff why they logged the trees or how long it will be until they grow back as most folks here will be long gone by then. All those winners like folks in Oklahoma who don’t like earthquakes, Huntington Beach residents who wine about tar balls and dead birds, or Pennsylvania residents who wine about burning mines. Don’t those folks realize there $$$ to be made. rolleyes.gif

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PostMon Oct 11, 2021 2:38 pm 
Tell it, Malachai! Yes, it's horrible and gross. They should get a clue from King County's Island Center Forest. They thin it and it looks great, doesn't destroy wildlife habitat, and it's open for good recreation. This other is just godawful clearcut, plain and simple, and heats up the local environment, killing a lot of habitat. Soils people don't like it either; logging destroys soils.

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PostMon Oct 11, 2021 8:08 pm 
Most importantly, has anyone realized that future slides from in the tilled soil may lower the prominence of WT1? Peakbaggers may soon be going to Fuller. Squak could become more popular.

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PostTue Oct 12, 2021 6:56 am 
In law there is a principle Res Ipsa Loquitur legal Latin for “the thing speaks for itself” which means the occurrence of an event means negligence is present. It is used in aircraft crashes (planes do not crash unless someone did something wrong), Carnival rides, dangerous activities, crane accidents, and dangerous conditions on your property which injured an invitee. This is such a condition, no explanation makes it right. It is the equivalent to Seattle clear cutting Seward Park. frown.gif

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PostTue Oct 12, 2021 5:23 pm 
Malachai Constant wrote:
Seattle clear cutting Seward Park.
The only reason Seward Park wasn't clear cut a century ago when the property was privately owned was the abundance of poison oak. Tiger has been clear cut twice before.

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PostWed Oct 13, 2021 2:05 pm 
Except, again, the Weyerhauser property is not public land. It's their timber. I think we should just be thankful that they normally allow us to freely hike across it.

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PostWed Oct 13, 2021 7:36 pm 
Stupid things that have been said to me about this: "Do you live in a house? If you do, it's made of wood and so you can't complain about this." "It's not profitable for them to selectively thin." "It belongs to Weyerhauser; they can do whatever they want." "It will be reforested." The first is the most asinine. We are talking about all three summits of a popular hiking location. That makes this different than some random lowland 90 acre tract. And it's 90 acres, not 9000. Treating it with some modicum of respect and consideration for the public land all around it isn't, I don't think, a huge ask. Weyerhauser pretending that they are somehow doing the public and environment a favor just adds salt to a 90 acre wound.

If not now, when?

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PostThu Oct 14, 2021 11:00 am 
Yes. Weyerhaeuser cannot just do what they want. The state has regulations on logging for both DNR, USFS and private landowner. But it’s apparent they aren’t stringent enough (the state regs claim their mandates do not allow clearcut – but clearly, they do, as evidenced by the clearcut around MRNP and ONP that anyone can see). And yes, it’s tiring about the house, toilet paper, etc. Logging isn’t the problem, it’s the lack of good regulations. (and Washington state regs for logging are actually better than many other states)

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PostThu Oct 14, 2021 11:32 am 
It's too late for this cycle, but if folks feel like they don't want to see Weyerhaeuser owned lands on Tiger clear cut in the future -- an effective means is to purchase the land and transfer it into public ownership for conservation. The Foreterra non-profit works to accomplish that -- a recently completed project was the Teanaway Community Forest -- where privately held forest land was transfered to public ownership for conservation and recreation. AFAIK Tiger Mountain areas aren't currently targeted for conservation -- but that could be changed. https://forterra.org/ Also the Trust For Public land has a related mission and was involved in the conservation of the Margaret's Way acquision on Sqauk Mtn -- so they might be a effective organization for conserving lands on Tiger Mtn. https://www.tpl.org/

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PostFri Oct 15, 2021 7:57 am 
Most of the private land on Tiger was transfered to the W. W probably kept the summit as the antenna rights were lucrativet then decided to liquidate the timber.

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PostFri Oct 15, 2021 10:24 am 
I agree this area offers a lot of leisure to a major metropolitan area and maybe this 90 acre parcel isn't worth the impact on society? Sounds like some eminent domain could go a long way lol.

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PostFri Oct 15, 2021 11:07 am 
No love for South Tiger clearcuts? From earlier in the week.

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PostFri Oct 15, 2021 11:07 am 
I'm confused, looking at the map, Tiger mountain is almost exclusively public DNR land (so why are people bringing up Weyerhaeuser?). And like nearly all DNR land, the state is legally required to harvest the timber for the financial benefit of the beneficiaries (school districts, ect). If fact, there are pending lawsuits brought by more rural counties, like Skagit, claiming DNR is not cutting down the trees fast enough and therefore, is breaking their fiduciary duty to the beneficiaries. Personally, I would like the legislature to change this so that high use DNR lands such as Tiger, Capital Forest, and Green Mountain in Kitsap no longer need to be harvested and instead can be managed for preservation and recreation. But that would take legislative action to change. From DNR's Tiger website:
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As working state forests, Tiger Mountain and Raging River are managed by DNR to provide sustainable revenue in support of public services. Timber production, biomass byproducts, communication tower leases, and other activities by DNR in the forest help fund local services, prisons, universities, and the construction of public K-12 grade schools throughout Washington.

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