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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7732 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Cyclopath
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:00 pm
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See Image Here 🙂
We've all heard this joke before, because it's been true for decades. There are a lot of versions of this joke, my personal one is "just because I'm a programmer doesn't mean I know how to fix your printer."
But computers got too easy to use, and now you don't have to understand how they work to see cartoons, play video games, and chat with your friends. In the old days this stuff was harder to accomplish, took several steps, and required at least basic foundational concepts.
Just my observations, I would love to hear others' thoughts on this?
Hat tip to zephyr for posting the comic and putting this in my head.
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zephyr aka friendly hiker
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:05 pm
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Can't believe you just re-posted my comic.
Good grief. ~z
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I miss the days when internet poker was completely legal...911 was it's demise, as the crackdown on wire transfers was part of the anti-terrorism bill. It was so cool, I could enter a tournament for $6 and win 1k...took about 8 hours though.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7732 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Cyclopath
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:46 pm
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zephyr wrote: | Can't believe you just re-posted my comic.
Good grief. ~z |
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you would mind. I removed it.
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Randito Snarky Member
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:46 pm
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I think the % of people that actually understand how computers work isn't much different now than it was in the past. The number of people that use computers on a daily basis has vastly expanded in the last several decades.
I say this as someone has interviewed many people but only hired about 1 in 50 -- all of these candidates had computer science degrees.
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zephyr aka friendly hiker
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:48 pm
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cdestroyer Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2015 Posts: 1251 | TRs | Pics Location: montana |
as to the repost of someone's post should ask permission first.. i for one would like to see what the post was so i can understand the follow up idea,,,,,,as to not many people understand computers it is like not many people understand what makes a car run...most just get in turn the key and off they go but don't know how pistons have rings that need to installed in a certain way or that there is a timing mark that needs to be set in a certain way.
I used to program years ago, took many programs apart to understand how they made the computer do what it did. years ago it was fairly easy. 8bit became 16bit then 32 and now 64bit. people don' t realize how much more there is to that computer chip than before.....early computers ran about 4mhz or so but now a quantum leap to well over 4ghz... like putting a jet engine in your car. going from no hard drives when everything was stored on tape of some kind, to drives now hold every piece of software i ever used or wanted to use and still barely touch the total capacity of the hard drive....i have 132 of my fav movies on a 320gb sata drive and plenty of room for more...and the bells and whistles keep coming,,,and i don't think the end is in sight .... yet..
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neek Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 2337 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:54 am
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It's an honor to have an idea you raised discussed, appropriate to do it in a different thread so as to not sidetrack the original, and normal to quote. Also your post was just a re-post from The New Yorker, which you didn't credit.
Cyclopath wrote: | But computers got too easy to use, and now you don't have to understand how they work to see cartoons, play video games, and chat with your friends. In the old days this stuff was harder to accomplish, took several steps, and required at least basic foundational concepts. |
This is precisely one of my concerns with raising a kid in modern times. By age 11 I had mastered most aspects of the machine and was learning assembler, just because that seemed like the logical next step. Now when there's a computer problem my 11 year old comes running to me for help, because he's conditioned for instant gratification and has never been forced to crack the hood to do anything interesting. And try explaining the Internet to a kid. When you were born before it existed and grew up as it developed, you naturally picked up the foundational basics. Now they just want the game to work, and if it doesn't in a few seconds, they move on to the next one.
This may just be a case of a "kids these days" attitude, but think of other knowledge that is lost over generations. I don't know how to work on cars the way my parents did (ok, not my parents, but you get the point). They didn't know how to hunt the way their parents did. And so on. We need to forget to move forward. But at some point it comes back to haunt us. Think of the demand for COBOL programmers in 1999. Maybe old time Unix guys will come to the rescue in 2037. Really though, I think the kids will be OK. As long as we leave them a planet that is actually inhabitable.
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Kim Brown Member
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When I worked at Texas Instruments using dBase, I had to type in a long, long, LONG string of criteria to get a report. Knowing that, I was able to clean up input so I would get good information, and not suffer from "garbage in, garbage out."
Now, software is like a McDonald's menu, which is nice, so far as that goes. But it makes it more difficult to understand how a database works, how it pulls data, what it wants from the user. When you had to actually ask for the information in a certain way, you got to think like it, and if you know how it thinks, the input is better.
Now, input by multiple people who don't know what they're doing makes for a crappy search, because so many people don't understand it. I'm constantly combing through reports to look for creative input, and correcting it. Sometimes it's cute and creative.
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16092 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
Back in the day I wrote a program in Lotus to manage my office accounts I expanded it to prepare reports for taxes and other matters. It was an interesting project and I learned a lot. Now you can get free apps that do all that. Similarly back in the day most everyone could repair and maintain a Model T. Which required a lot of maintenance. Now both cars and computers are so complex so as to require teams of experts for all but the most basic tasks. I can’t repair any of my trucks computers or debug millions of lines of assembly language even if I could access either. I for one embrace our electronic overlords.
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"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:14 am
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7732 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Cyclopath
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:40 am
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Malachai Constant wrote: | Back in the day I wrote a program in Lotus to manage my office accounts I expanded it to prepare reports for taxes and other matters. It was an interesting project and I learned a lot. Now you can get free apps that do all that |
Unfortunately, those apps are free because they're taking your data and selling it.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:48 pm
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I never touched assembly. I know how it works, and accomplishing anything complete with it seems hopeless, so I never saw it as a worthwhile endeavor. But I can do RSA with a calculator.
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"These are the places you will find me hiding'...These are the places I will always go."
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Randito Snarky Member
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Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:11 pm
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Cyclopath wrote: | I never touched assembly. I know how it works, and accomplishing anything complete with it seems hopeless, so I never saw it as a worthwhile endeavor. |
By the mid-70s operating systems were no longer being developed exclusively in assembly. But assembly was still used in operating systems development for specific tasks, typically where interacting with hardware is required. Very occasionally subsections of code with high performance impact would get rewritten in assembly, using the assembly generated by the C compiler as a starting point. However this has become increasingly rare as the quality of the code emitted by the compiler has vastly improved in recent decades and big advances have been made in post compilation optimizers that automatically do the majority of what used to be "hand optimized".
The last time I wrote assembly code professionally was in the early 90s, for a device driver.
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