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BeardoMcGrath
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Thinking of trips for next summer and zooming around on satellite it struck me the White Chuck Glacier area has at least 3 recent lakes, one of which has been photographed many times by folks heading up to Glacier Peak. Does anyone know if there are standing/unofficial names for these lakes yet?
 Lake 1 is seen by hundreds each year on the way to Glacier Peak, 2 and 3 less so but still fairly sizeable. Lake 1 is 25 acres.
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RichP
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Have at it Beardo. Some Salish names would be nice.
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Lakey McLakeface. 
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Since all the lakes in question are within federally designated Glacier Peak Wilderness, they shouldn't be named:
"The BGN will not approve any new names in federally designated wilderness areas unless the proponent can demonstrate why an exception is warranted."
https://geonames.usgs.gov/docs/pubs/DNC_PPP_DEC_2016_V.2.2.pdf#page=19
quote: "Although wilderness designations are a modern invention, a fundamental characteristic of
elemental wilderness is that the cultural overlay of civilization is absent. Placenames in a
wilderness area might diminish the sense of discovery that those who visit ought to be able to
experience. No wilderness area today is totally free of placenames and cultural artifacts, but a
goal of Federal wilderness area administration is to minimize the impacts and traces of people."
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The Disenchantments are a particularly lovely/hideous group of tarns and mud pits.
"Lake1" is an extremely dynamic environment- a steep-walled mud bowl made of wet, oozing volcanic dust. I went down to the lake shore and kind of wished that I hadn't. It was hard to get out of there... unbelievably slippery clay-like goo that stuck to my boots in great heavy clumps. Serious danger of catastrophic mud slide. Beware! Should be interesting to see how this one changes/fills in over the next few decades...
I haven't made it out to L2 or L3, but it's a great trip out across Foam Creek Basin...
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Don’t think I could go there without crying, used to go there every Memorial Day weekend. 
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Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:14 pm |
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First one to swim in it , name it what u like.
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BeardoMcGrath
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| kitya wrote: | |
Since all the lakes in question are within federally designated Glacier Peak Wilderness, they shouldn't be named:
"The BGN will not approve any new names in federally designated wilderness areas unless the proponent can demonstrate why an exception is warranted."
https://geonames.usgs.gov/docs/pubs/DNC_PPP_DEC_2016_V.2.2.pdf#page=19
quote: "Although wilderness designations are a modern invention, a fundamental characteristic of
elemental wilderness is that the cultural overlay of civilization is absent. Placenames in a
wilderness area might diminish the sense of discovery that those who visit ought to be able to
experience. No wilderness area today is totally free of placenames and cultural artifacts, but a
goal of Federal wilderness area administration is to minimize the impacts and traces of people." |
Thanks Kitya for this background. I was unaware features in Wilderness areas were not supposed to have placenames! While I appreciate the purpose here I suspect most folks in the mountains come to adopt standing or informal names for lots of places, mostly to help provide context when talking or writing about it (easier to use a name than "the lake SW of x mountain at whatever ft elevation"). RichP's point made me think indigenous names might be an appropriate exception though I don't feel qualified to determine those.
| contour5 wrote: | | The Disenchantments are a particularly lovely/hideous group of tarns and mud pits.
"Lake1" is an extremely dynamic environment- a steep-walled mud bowl made of wet, oozing volcanic dust. I went down to the lake shore and kind of wished that I hadn't. It was hard to get out of there... unbelievably slippery clay-like goo that stuck to my boots in great heavy clumps. Serious danger of catastrophic mud slide. Beware! Should be interesting to see how this one changes/fills in over the next few decades...
I haven't made it out to L2 or L3, but it's a great trip out across Foam Creek Basin... |
Cool to see those TRs. The Disenchantments appeals to my amusement and makes sense given your description.
In general I don't feel qualified to establish "official" names, but rather want a good way to refer to such locations in TRs. When I've been in more remote parts of BC I'm particular to just using geographic names, since they are not so confusing and hopefully non-controversial. So I would be tempted to refer to lake 1 as "Glacier Gap Lake", Lake 2 as "Foam Lake" and Lake 3 as "White River Lake" in future TRs given their nearby named features. Thanks for the links I've learned a lot!
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Riverside Laker
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Somebody quick put your favorite names on OpenCycle or one of those crowd-sourced maps. Then put a route to it also so everyone goes the same way.
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Brian Curtis
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Trail Blazers call your 1 "White Chuck 2". White Chuck 1 is to the NNE. So far we have identified 7 lakes that have emerged from the White Chuck glacier and do not show on the topo and I'm pretty sure there are more. Your 2 and 3 we call "White River 3" and "White River 2". The names are purely for convenience and obviously utilitarian.
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
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The Lake at the headwaters of Lighting Creek is Brad's Lake.
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Brian Curtis
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| bgs8379 wrote: | | The Lake at the headwaters of Lighting Creek is Brad's Lake. |
Why do people call it Brad's Lake? And who calls it that?
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
that elitist from silverdale wanted to tell me that all carnes are bad--Studebaker Hoch
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bgs8379
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Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:52 pm |
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I swam in it , I named it.
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