[N]

Normal snow and a hot summer last year was bad. Below average snow and another hot summer this year. Yikes.

[treeswarper]

[Ski]

^ The Puyallup Valley used to produce 90% of the U.S. raspberry crop. It is now a residential community. Troutdale, Oregon was "The Celery Capital of the World" before it became a housing development. Southcenter Mall was the former home of a lettuce farm (visible from Hwy 99 when you drove through Des Moines.) I used to drive all the way down to Salem, Oregon, to a shop called "Heliotrope Natural Foods" to buy their tiny dried prunes that came from a big orchard out toward McMinnville. Last time I made sales calls in McMinnville, all those orchards had been bulldozed and replaced with housing developments. The big developers, in their infinite wisdom, paved over the good bottomland, leaving us the scablands of Eastern Washington to grow food. As you said: where else are they going to grow it? Oh yeah... southern California .... because the Colorado River will supply an infinite amount of water, right?

[treeswarper]

[Pyrites]

Looked at the Hurricane Ridge webcams. Yipes. Looks like July, with a little frost. Edit. Went up the hill yesterday. Some snow on N aspect. Not much. Even a little grass starting to grow. No flowers, or you might think it’s 1st of July.

[Cyclopath]

I'm having to water my thirsty garden. We've got to stop ignoring reality for games of what if.

[Chief Joseph]

I need to get a water storage tank, anyone know where I can get a used one? Not for potable water obviously. It’s times like this I am glad I have property in a rain forest. A friend said that Verlot gets more rain than the Ho?

[BigBrunyon]

I'm always right when I predict the weather instead of Mass!!!! I always know what it's gonna be and I go on feel alone. What I'm saying is you don't require these big proprietary "computerized systems" to know what the weather's gonna be. All you need is to get me out there I'll just know based on FEEL ALONE! I'm always right compared to the inferior more "junior" weather forecasters such as Mass!!!

[Pyrites]

I don’t know about anything about Maas. I think there’s good reason to expect early Olympics hiking this year even for non-mountaineer types.

[treeswarper]

I'm going to go see if I can buy more clover seed and dedicate a few weeks to getting it to grow. Will try harder to grow it in the dead zones of the yard. It definitely takes less water once it is established.

[Ski]

^ red clover is prettier and attracts more pollinators!

[treeswarper]

Cannot find red clover in LOCAL stores. Just white. Which, if I remember from my dangerous childhood, attracts lots of bees for bare feet to step on.

[Ski]

^ I had to drive out to Montesano to Del's Farm Supply to find it. Looks like they're no longer in business. Montesano Home & Farm 360 249 4611 has red clover seed in stock. two-pound bag: $12.95 she said they WILL ship. Was not able to find it here in Tacoma. Need to go buy more. The stuff really brings in the bees. I plant it out in the alley. Reduces the foot traffic considerably.