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Allison Feckless Swooner
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Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:59 pm
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With the entire Washington congressional delegation and the (Republican) President behind this, it seems the opponents are Richard Pombo (R, California) and the people at NWHikers.net.
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mike Member
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Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:47 am
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Quote: | Someone asked me today what people could do to show their support for the WSW..... |
ML, You can't beat a real letter to the powers. Email and form letters don't carry the same weight. Write to your representative and senators and also to Pombo. Can't hurt. Pombo is facing strong opposition in the upcoming election and he may be looking to soften his image a bit to appeal to a broader base. A few acres in WA might be just the ticket given the broad support both D and R. And he wouldn't even have to actually vote for the bill, just let it pass to the floor for a vote.
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wanderwild Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 333 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
what portion of the proposed wild sky area has been logged/mined?? it seems to me that it is probably a small portion, and the proposed wilderness boundaries can be revised to exclude those areas.
obviously i'm not the first to think of this. why hasn't this been proposed?
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Allison Feckless Swooner
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Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:37 pm
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Why start making that exclusion now? Never been an issue in the past....
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Dayhike Mike Bad MFKer
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Posts: 10958 | TRs | Pics Location: Going to Tukwila |
marylou wrote: | it seems the opponents are....the people at NWHikers.net. |
What?
mike wrote: | ML, You can't beat a real letter to the powers. Email and form letters don't carry the same weight. |
So true.
Can't remember where I heard it but I seem to recall that within legislative circles a real letter is considered the equivalent of 1000 e-mailed responses, just because it's so quick and painless to fire off an e-mail or form letter.
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Allison Feckless Swooner
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:22 pm
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Dayhike Mike wrote: | marylou wrote: | it seems the opponents are....the people at NWHikers.net. |
What? |
I've heard more opposition to the WSW here than anywhere else. What can I say?
Quote: | mike wrote: | ML, You can't beat a real letter to the powers. Email and form letters don't carry the same weight. |
So true.
Can't remember where I heard it but I seem to recall that within legislative circles a real letter is considered the equivalent of 1000 e-mailed responses, just because it's so quick and painless to fire off an e-mail or form letter. |
I was looking for something a little more pinpointed. Since it's past the Senate, is it now back in Committee? Are they in recess right now? Anyone else on that committee opposing it? What's the timeline on the bill being in Committee?
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DayveeB Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 36 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:18 pm
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ML - it would make more sense to me to join the group who is largely responsible for pushing the Wild Sky issue rather than trying to tackle this issue on NWHikers.net. Just my take...
I think it's always more productive to become a part of an organized campaign, rather to reinvent the wheel - or just make noise about an issue most people here on NWHikers are aware of.
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oosik Member
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:57 pm
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According to http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00152:
"Latest Major Action: 8/1/2005 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health."
Jay Insley is on that committee, and he seems to be a good supporter of wilderness and recreation, including being against the Fee Demo program.
Unfortunately, Pombo has been the Chairman of that committee, and has a history of intimidating committee members and general throwing his weight around to direct what comes out of that committee.
Pombo also strongly promotes development in ANWR and to show how mature he is, this is what he puts on his statement for the benefit of those that oppose his view on the official government website:
I guess if you wanted to make your opinion known at this late date, probably contact the members of the committee.
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Tom Admin
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:16 pm
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It is interesting that Pombo opposes the Wild Sky on a technicality buried in the wilderness act, not much different than the technicalities wilderness purists would use to promote their agenda, such as the elimination of fish stocking, etc. Guess it cuts both ways.
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Allison Feckless Swooner
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:50 pm
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DayveeB wrote: | ML - it would make more sense to me to join the group who is largely responsible for pushing the Wild Sky issue rather than trying to tackle this issue on NWHikers.net. Just my take... |
To each his or her own, but it's been my experience that a well thought out argument from a private citizen has a lot more sway in the grand scheme of things. I'm not saying this to discourage individuals from joining clubs (I myself belong to one) but more to stress that individuals absolutely can make a difference.
Quote: | rather to reinvent the wheel - or just make noise about an issue most people here on NWHikers are aware of. |
My discussions with various posters on this site have led me to believe that people are not all that familiar with the issue. I certainly don't know a lot about it myself compared to others, but have seen something different than you express. It's my opinion that the WSW is a little less popular with hikers than perhaps other places because this proposed Wilderness has almost zero trails. making it a less interesting piece of Wilderness than something that's a little easier to get around in. I certainly sang a different tune after seeing some slides of the place and going on one little trip into a tiny corner of the area.
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touron Member
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:42 pm
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Here is an interesting article from the PI on WS and Pombo
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Tom Admin
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:11 pm
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I thought these were interesting snippets:
Quote: | Pombo killed a proposed Wild Sky bill last year. He did, however, support a compromise plan that would have protected nearly 93,000 acres as wilderness, while designating 13,300 acres for backcountry management, a less restrictive federal designation allowing off-road vehicles. |
Quote: | Pombo sympathized with people's desire to protect the area, but said many fail to realize that a wilderness designation "basically locks it up and the only way you can get in is on foot." |
So to those who feel wilderness designation is the only answer, what was wrong with Pombo's compromise? Or did it not protect the old growth? Or do you just hate ORVs?
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Brian Curtis Trail Blazer/HiLaker
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It is probably because they already compromised 14,000 acres out of the proposed wilderness area in order to satisfy ORV and other groups and they don't want to further compromise to satisfy Pombo.
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Allison Feckless Swooner
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:29 am
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Perhaps the notion of "preserving the natural legacy" (quote from the Act) is all it takes to want to save such a place.
Hardly any trails=even better.
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Tom Admin
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:51 am
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OK, but I thought it was about saving the old growth. If not, what does it need to be saved from? ORVs? 93,000 acres isn't enough wilderness?
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