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PostFri Oct 23, 2020 11:42 am 
Dave that will go over as well as a turd in the pool with some people on here

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PostThu Sep 02, 2021 5:26 pm 
It's that time of year, again. Archery seasons are opening up but grouse hunting has been delayed until Sept. 15 this year. The general deer hunting opener is Oct. 16. For those who might be interested whether they will run into a hunter, stop at the local hardware or sporting goods store where hunting and fishing licenses are sold and pick up a copy of the hunting regulations. wink.gif Stay safe, let people know where you're going and when you expect to return. up.gif This time of year I always chuckle a bit remembering all the people who thought my fluorescent orange pack was silly. Not if you want to be seen, especially from a great distance.

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PostWed Oct 20, 2021 11:47 am 
pcg wrote:
I'm curious. With all the talk about the need to carry a firearm for protection... has anyone here ever actually needed it to protect themselves from another human, or does anyone here even know someone who used a firearm to protect themselves from another human. I'm not talking about what you imagine, I'm talking about the real world. Do you really need to carry a gun while hiking?
Yes Yes and Yes (but this is a personal choice; those who decide otherwise are okay with me)

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PostWed Oct 20, 2021 11:51 am 
Hunted and hiked the burn area north of Sugarloaf lookout northeast of Leavenworth. Heartbreaking to see the burn damage but encouraging to see how well the reprod is growing. We went all the way north to Maverick Saddle. Still very dry up there despite the rain. For those heading to higher elevations, prep for early snow. It's likely to come fast, stay long. wink.gif

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PostThu Jan 27, 2022 8:37 am 
Another Darwin award candidate. Surprised we haven't lost more people off of Rattlesnake Ledges... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hiker-death-selfie-arizona

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PostTue May 03, 2022 6:30 pm 
HikerJohn wrote:
Another Darwin award candidate. Surprised we haven't lost more people off of Rattlesnake Ledges... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hiker-death-selfie-arizona
I just read the story and this jumped off the screen: "Hiker deaths are rare but often tragic. In December, California investigators determined that a couple died from heat and dehydration while attempting to save their daughter in August." eek.gif rolleyes.gif Just when are hiker deaths not tragic? shakehead.gif confused.gif

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PostThu Jun 23, 2022 10:27 am 
pcg wrote:
I'm curious. With all the talk about the need to carry a firearm for protection... has anyone here ever actually needed it to protect themselves from another human, or does anyone here even know someone who used a firearm to protect themselves from another human. I'm not talking about what you imagine, I'm talking about the real world. Do you really need to carry a gun while hiking? I'm specifying human because, from everything I've read and from experts I've talked to, guns aren't necessary to protect folks from animals in the PNW. Bear spray is more effective and also avoids injuring the animal. So... convince me.
Here ya go: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf Excerpt: "The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not ďa second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.Ē McDonald, 561 U. S., at 780 (plurality opinion). We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need. That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendantís right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense." No convincing necessary.

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PostThu Jul 21, 2022 3:53 pm 
Reposting from elsewhere: Flawed comparison: Bear Spray vs Guns "studies". Invalidates the "Bear spray is more effective than firearms" argument. I still highly recommend carrying bear spray, but it's important to know its limitations and proper uses. Also (BTW) using bear spray on a human, even when claiming self-defense, can result in a felony assault charge.

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PostThu Jul 21, 2022 9:29 pm 
Using a firearm for defense against a grizzly can be very effective. My sister supervised the training of field biologists in Alaska, including bear defense. The firearm of choice is a double barrel shotgun with magnum powder loads and slug as the round. The training included a wagon with a bear cutout target towed by cables at the trainee at 35 mph. Most trainees take multiple training sessions before being able to place a "kill shot" with any reliability. It's folly to think that a hand gun can reliably stop a charging bear dead in its tracks, especially without specific training.
Bear spray is far simpler to deploy than a firearm and requires far less perfect aim. Is it a perfect solution no. In Alaska it is also common practice to erect an electric fence around camp and to have a separate cooking, eating and food storage area hundreds of yards away from the sleeping area. One also has a completely separate set of clothes for cooking and eating than all other activities.

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PostFri Jul 22, 2022 6:11 pm 
Randito wrote:
It's folly to think that a hand gun can reliably stop a charging bear dead in its tracks, especially without specific training.
9mm works just fine for the PNW*: Read this story Turns out 9mm over penetration is one of those "It's not a bug, it's a feature" things. Of course get training. *Standard disclaimer: Your milage may vary. Not sure I'd bet my life on a 9mm if I'm around aggressive 1000+ pound grizzlies. My point is it's best to consider the threats you might face, and pick the appropriate tool that will be effective.

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