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Randito
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| altasnob wrote: | | Frankly, I am surprised they plead guilty. Seems like an very winnable case at trial. New Hampshire's Reckless Conduct statute requires your actions place another person in danger of serious bodily injury (same as Washington's law). |
Perhaps they had bad legal advice or were discouraged from seeking representation by others in their family.
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altasnob
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| Randito wrote: | | Perhaps they had bad legal advice or were discouraged from seeking representation by others in their family. |
I don't know how New Hampshire works, but in the greater Puget Sound region, you would have a tough time convincing a judge to let you plead guilty without an attorney representing you. Everyone has an attorney in court here, whether they want one or not. Some people don't qualify for a public defender, but then complain to the judge they can't afford to hire an attorney (despite making too much money for the public defender). The judge will just fold and give them a public defender on the public's dime when this happens.
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altasnob
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Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:41 am |
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Looks like you are right, per Outside:
| Quote: | | The hikers, a 22-year-old from Lowell, Massachusetts and a 25-year-old from Windsor, New Hampshire, will each pay a $200 fine and a $48 penalty assessment after pleading their charges down from misdemeanors to violation-level offenses in the 2nd circuit court of Littleton, New Hampshire. |
This makes way more sense to me. The prosecutor threatened a criminal offense but allowed them to plead to an infraction. Infractions are like speeding or parking tickets. They don't go on your criminal record. And since these infractions are non-driving, they don't go on your driving record either.
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Cyclopath
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If we're going to charge hikers with crimes, it should be for Bluetooth speakers not for getting hurt. Cardi B should be a life sentence.
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| Cyclopath wrote: | | If we're going to charge hikers with crimes, it should be for Bluetooth speakers not for getting hurt. Cardi B should be a life sentence. |
Can I still whistle?
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RumiDude
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Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:24 am |
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| altasnob wrote: | | Frankly, I am surprised they plead guilty. Seems like an very winnable case at trial. New Hampshire's Reckless Conduct statute requires your actions place another person in danger of serious bodily injury (same as Washington's law). |
| altasnob wrote: | Looks like you are right, per Outside:
| Quote: | | The hikers, a 22-year-old from Lowell, Massachusetts and a 25-year-old from Windsor, New Hampshire, will each pay a $200 fine and a $48 penalty assessment after pleading their charges down from misdemeanors to violation-level offenses in the 2nd circuit court of Littleton, New Hampshire. |
This makes way more sense to me. The prosecutor threatened a criminal offense but allowed them to plead to an infraction. Infractions are like speeding or parking tickets. They don't go on your criminal record. And since these infractions are non-driving, they don't go on your driving record either. |
Well over charging people is a typical law-enforcement/prosecutorial tactic. People with money and time hire good lawyers and get off. Those without are forced to plead. Or as the Athenians told the Melians, "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must".
Using criminal statutes against people needing rescue from recreational activities is stupid and in my mind immoral. It certainly is counterproductive. But then again, it's New Hampshire.
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