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Snowshovel Member


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To spin the steam power units around after the electrics took over or dropped off the cars?
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Dick B Member


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 Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:20 am
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Research showed that there was a turntable at Skykomish (Sky) to handle the steamers. There must have also been one at Wenatchee which was the east end of the electrification. I believe the electrics could be operated from either end.
Another piece of history was how the electric system was powered. As a youngster driving down Tumwater Canyon, I remember the powerhouse, that generated the electricity. There was (still is?) a low dam that, I believe, fed water to the turbines. I also seem to recall that the electrics could generate power on their downhill run, to help power the system.
The original GN line came down Tumwater Canyon but was replaced by the present Chumstick cutoff in '29. The highway took the place of the RR in the canyon. I think my Dad worked on the road reconstruction that occurred. I read somewhere that the reason for moving the RR out of the canyon was that it had too many curves, which cut down on the speed the train could travel. Degree of curvature and grade are great inhibiters to a trains speed.
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Snowshovel Member


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There was a morass of generators at Sky also. I can’t remember if they we’re reciprocating diesel engines of stationary boilers.
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Snowshovel Member


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Dick B wrote: | I also seem to recall that the electrics could generate power on their downhill run, to help power the system. |
I don’t think that would be possible. The line was a multiple Kv three-phase system turning a motor generator to make DC to drive the wheels. That would be difficult to back generate and then back-feed into the local grid, correctly phased and synchronized. Mess up and things are going to melt.
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Mike Collins Member


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Snowshovel Member


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The ability to do that would be dependent on the drive system of the train and local grid. The Stevens route used three phase motor- dc generator, really hard to back feed that
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Pyrites Member


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Supposedly the Milwaukee Road did this at the crossing into the St Joe.
But if I really wanted to know I’d get off a hiker forum and ask at a train buff forum.
Be careful. Those folks will start quoting engine numbers, and who drove which engine.
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Bruce Albert Member


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Snowshovel wrote: | The Stevens route used three phase motor- dc generator, really hard to back feed that |
Modern ski lift drives, both DC SCR and AC variable freq, are 3 phase and are regenerative. This controls overhauling and provides resistance to act in a braking capacity. I've read that modern locomotives use their drive motors for what was called "dynamic braking" as well; but I can't speak to that authoritatively never having worked on a locomotive. 100 years ago, I have no clue.
Back to the turntable question, there is a turnaround on the east end of the yard in Skykomish, which is just basically like a shoofly that goes off to the south. I've never seen a locomotive on it.
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Snowshovel Member


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Thanks. I guess my electrical knowledge is almost four decades old.
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Dick B Member


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Dick B
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This is drifting off topic regarding electric train power, but I thought I would share what it was like to operate a large piece of equipment that was entirely powered by electricity. It was a LeTourneau log stacker.
In my younger days I worked at a paper mill in North Bend Oregon. While there the mill workers went on strike and the mill shut down. We continued to buy logs, which were later chipped for pulp. I was in management and could cross the picket line, so was pressed into service to unload the log trucks as they came in.
The stacker had a large diesel operated generator on the back. It powered the steering, forks, tusks, boom and the 4 drive motors that propelled the machine. When I first climbed on board, I thought I would find a sophisticated instrument panel, but all that was there were a bunch of toggle switches marked to activate the various motors. I think the wheel motors were DC as they were activated by a rheostat. Move it one way to go forward and the other to go back. The further it was moved, the faster you would go. I was on it probably a week. The only problem I had was after it came out of the shop one day, I found the mechanic had wired the steering motor up backwards. Toggle left and it went right and right to go left. Fortunately, the machine only operated at a fast walk, so I had plenty of time to compensate for the discrepancy. It was a little tricky though when you positioned yourself at the truck to unload the logs.
I have to admit it was kind of fun. Every kids dream.
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