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PostWed Nov 23, 2022 9:20 pm 
The frame pack did not make the list? that would be my addition.

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PostThu Nov 24, 2022 9:15 am 
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The frame pack did not make the list? that would be my addition.
I would have included the JanSport D2. You could carry incredible loads in that frame.

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PostThu Nov 24, 2022 10:14 am 
Pretty good list. I almost always carry one Nalgene with me. I don't like narrow mouth water containers for a couple of reasons. I take protein powder to make a morning shake and it is just way easier to get it into a wide mouth Nalgene. And then it is easier to get water into it as well. I shave weight elsewhere. Rumi

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PostThu Nov 24, 2022 1:52 pm 
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I shave weight elsewhere.
Me too. That's why I think I would have included the Lawn Mower on the list.
I shave my way and you "shave" your way *bigmanscapinggrins* Rumi

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PostMon Nov 28, 2022 7:43 pm 
RumiDude wrote:
Pretty good list. I almost always carry one Nalgene with me. I don't like narrow mouth water containers for a couple of reasons. I take protein powder to make a morning shake and it is just way easier to get it into a wide mouth Nalgene. And then it is easier to get water into it as well. I shave weight elsewhere. Rumi
In WA state it seems like we are melting snow for water Late October through sometime in July. Try pouring melted snow from your cook pot into a smartwater bottle. Nope! I'll stick with Nalgene bottles!

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PostTue Nov 29, 2022 8:47 am 
Do the 'waterproof' down products actually stand up to the weather we have in the PNW for jackets? I have been sticking to synthetics for fear of down wetting out. Sleeping bags I can keep dry in my pack and tent so I go down there for weight and compressibility. The article says treated down is now ubiquitous in jackets and sleeping bags- is that really the case? I would think they would still be bragging about it and I only rarely see it in the descriptions.

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PostTue Nov 29, 2022 1:54 pm 
pula58 wrote:
Try pouring melted snow from your cook pot into a smartwater bottle.
That's exactly what I am doing here. So it is not that big of a deal. YMMV biggrin.gif
Melting water WTF ?
Melting water WTF ?

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PostTue Nov 29, 2022 11:58 pm 
uww wrote:
Do the 'waterproof' down products actually stand up to the weather we have in the PNW for jackets? I have been sticking to synthetics for fear of down wetting out. Sleeping bags I can keep dry in my pack and tent so I go down there for weight and compressibility.
Pertex fabric does a reasonable job protecting down from light moisture. Down or Synthetic is useless to miserable if soaked. If its cold and raining a fleece layer under a raincoat is my preference when hiking.

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PostWed Nov 30, 2022 9:28 am 
uww wrote:
Do the 'waterproof' down products actually stand up to the weather we have in the PNW for jackets?
No. Or a better way to put it is we get some cold, dry weather during the winter and treated down is good for those days, just like regular down.

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PostFri Dec 02, 2022 4:36 pm 
InFlight wrote:
uww wrote:
Do the 'waterproof' down products actually stand up to the weather we have in the PNW for jackets? I have been sticking to synthetics for fear of down wetting out. Sleeping bags I can keep dry in my pack and tent so I go down there for weight and compressibility.
Pertex fabric does a reasonable job protecting down from light moisture. Down or Synthetic is useless to miserable if soaked. If its cold and raining a fleece layer under a raincoat is my preference when hiking.
I have to say that a fleece is an oft overlooked bit of gear. And on the list is the Patagonia R1 fleece, which I currently use the R1 Air Full Zip Hoody as my go-to rather than a down jacket. if faced with a choice, the R1 comes with me almost every time. It excels at wicking moisture away from me while keeping me warm. Rumi

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PostThu Dec 29, 2022 5:11 pm 
Nalgenes have several advantages. First, they are very tough. I've never known them to break. The wide mouth makes it much easier for adding snow (in the spring). In the winter, the opening is less likely to freeze. I also think the attachable lid was a big addition. I can open a Nalgene with mitts on easily, and not worry about losing my cap. In mid-summer and fall I tend to go with Platypus (as my clean container) but for the rest of the year I find Nalgene essential. I think they did represent an important breakthrough and are still a popular product. There are plenty of important breakthroughs that were simply stepping stones.

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PostThu Dec 29, 2022 6:12 pm 
rossb wrote:
Nalgenes have several advantages.
And one disadvantage - for me. For some reason, the diameter of the Nalgene opening doesn't work well with the profile of my face. When I rest the bottom edge of the opening on my lower lip and tip the bottle to drink, the upper edge hits my nose and I often dribble water all over myself. Or maybe I'm just a clumsy dork.

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PostFri Dec 30, 2022 9:25 am 
The original Nalgene water bottles were narrow mouthed ones polyethylene purloined from chem labs in the 60s (you only took new ones). Soon after that REI started carrying them for less than $1. Then they changed to high density polyethylene and wide mouths for $2. They next changed to clear plastic and price went up again. BPA controversy came up and non BPA ones reached $5. Now we mostly use repurposed throw away ones for a few uses. Thru hikers mostly us Smartwater bottles as they are thicker and accept the threads on a Sawyer filter. I have this history at home. I had a camelback bladder pop on an Enchantment hike/run but the pattys are tougher.

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