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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 6:53 am 
I just came across an article that said the north cascades national park was the most dangerous park for deaths. So I googled and got several lists of the most dangerous and the north cascades never made any of them. Denali being the top dog. Am I missing something or has the information just not filtered down the pike yet?

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 7:42 am 
At the site linked below they list North Cascades National Park at the top in deaths per capita. https://www.psbr.law/nevada/deaths-in-us-national-parks/

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 9:00 am 
Interesting it is difficult to draw a meaning from that article without more information. It probably is a statically anomaly due to the low number of visits. Does it include adjacent recreation areas such as Skagit drainage and Highway 20? What about plane and helicopter crashes?

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 9:17 am 
NCNP statistics aren't going to be comparable to other national parks. Day hikers don't need to go through an entrance booth and be counted as visitors at they do at Mt Rainier, Yosemite, etc. So there are many visitors that hike, climb, etc without a mishap that aren't included in the statistics. A more apples to apples comparison would be count incidents against the backcountry camping permits issued at Mt Rainier, etc.

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 9:37 am 
It would be interesting to know how they come up with the park visitor numbers.

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 10:00 am 
An analysis by a Southern Californian marketing agency (1point21) and published by a personal injury law firm. This is the kind of junk that's click-bait on Facebook.

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 10:14 am 
This figure is also horribly skewed because it's only accounting for the National Park proper - not Ross Lake / Chelan NRAs, which is where the vast majority of visitors to NCNP go.

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 12:43 pm 
catsp wrote:
Schroder wrote:
An analysis by a Southern Californian marketing agency (1point21) and published by a personal injury law firm. This is the kind of junk that's click-bait on Facebook.
I didn't read this as that sort of article at all
That's who wrote it.

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PostSun Mar 05, 2023 4:40 pm 
catsp wrote:
I meant this part.
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This is the kind of junk that's click-bait on Facebook.
Exactly that. Useless information gathered for marketing - in this case for a personal liability law firm, though I've seen the exact same article used for other advertising. On the subject of visitor information used to get the "per capita" count, this is the procedure for NCNP:
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North Cascades National Park PUBLIC USE COUNTING AND REPORTING INSTRUCTIONS Following are detailed instructions for collecting and reporting data to be entered on Form 10-157, Revised, Monthly Public Use Report by North Cascades National Park. These instructions are effective the date of issuance and will continue in effect unless changed by amendment or by memorandum from the Social Science Branch to the superintendent approving a requested change. Each item below describes the procedures to be followed in collecting public use data and summarizing the various elements of those data for entry on the corresponding line on the 10-157, Monthly Public Use Report. Recreation Visits A. An inductive loop traffic counter is placed across Cascade River Road. The traffic count is divided by two (2) to adjust for vehicles entering and exiting. The adjusted traffic count is reduced for nonreportable vehicles (31 per month). The reduced traffic count is multiplied by the current persons-per-vehicle multiplier of 2.4. B. The number of visitors on the High Bridge shuttle bus is multiplied by 0.5 to account for visitors who take the shuttle and enter the park and those visitors who hike into the park and do not take a shuttle or other vehicle. C. The number of backcountry visitors is determined by the backcountry permits issued. The number of backcountry visitors is multiplied by 1.10 to account for additional visitors (10%) that do not obtain a permit. Recreation Visitor Hours 1. Total recreation visits are multiplied by five (5) hours. 2. Total overnight stays are multiplied twenty (20) hours. Overnight Stays NPS Backcountry The number of backcountry overnight stays. This is determined by permits issued and multiplied by 1.10 to account for backcountry visitors who do not obtain a permit.
Real accurate that one

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PostWed Mar 08, 2023 2:11 am 
MSNBC - This national park has the highest death rate in the country This article probably uses the same flawed visitor data for NCNP then digresses into complaints about not being able to put in rap anchors in a wilderness area, then digresses further telling a story of a rescue unrelated to rap anchors.

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