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PostTue May 16, 2023 10:40 am 
Which is similar to the legislation passed by Washington state. Recent arrests have been of "middleman" thief that had a truckload of converters that they were transporting to a different state without the reporting requirements that Washington has implemented. It's all fallout from the thousands of addicts created by the Sackler Family and by the economic restructuring that moved manufacturering jobs overseas , depriving the "Homer Simpsons" in the USA of a union job middle class lifestyle.

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PostTue May 16, 2023 1:15 pm 
...and it doesn't take 45 minutes to remove a catalytic converter. you can find all kinds of videos on YouTube showing guys using cordless reciprocating saws ("Sawzall") and removing cats from vehicles in less than 30 seconds.

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PostTue May 16, 2023 6:12 pm 
Car makers should have to put the vin # on the converter. Catalytic converter sales should require the vin # of the vehicle it came out of. Then the registered owner of the vehicle must be contacted. Violation by the scrap dealer should be a felony and closing the business. If no one would buy a stolen converter then no one would steal one.

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PostTue May 16, 2023 6:30 pm 
Slugman wrote:
Car makers should have to put the vin # on the converter. Catalytic converter sales should require the vin # of the vehicle it came out of. Then the registered owner of the vehicle must be contacted. Violation by the scrap dealer should be a felony and closing the business. If no one would buy a stolen converter then no one would steal one.
The WA legislation basically requires the seller and the buyer to be documented with drivers licenses, vehicle license used to transport the converter to the buyer, etc, etc. The system is setup so that selling a stolen converter to WA scrape dealer would make it very easy for law enforcement to find the seller. All good, the result , "middlemen thieves" buying large numbers of stolen converters and taking them to a state without such documentation requirements. I think the legislation is good, but every state need to enact similar legislation or federal regulation would be good And yes car makers should start stamping converters with the vin.

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PostTue May 16, 2023 6:41 pm 
Instead of all that bureaucratic nonsense... why not just charge the thieves with felonies, and lock them up so that their crimes stop.

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PostTue May 16, 2023 6:57 pm 
thunderhead wrote:
why not just charge the thieves with felonies
Charging is only the 1st step -- the prosecutor then needs to prove that they are the thieves beyond a reasonable doubt. With it only taking seconds to sawzall a converter out of a Prius -- it hard to catch these thieves in the act and there a plenty of willing scrap dealers -- including out of state scrap dealers. I suppose we could station a patrol car and police officers at the high point trailhead -- but I would rather they spend their time responding to domestic violence, assault, armed robbery, rape and murder cases myself.

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PostWed May 17, 2023 8:20 am 
Randito wrote:
Slugman wrote:
Car makers should have to put the vin # on the converter. Catalytic converter sales should require the vin # of the vehicle it came out of. Then the registered owner of the vehicle must be contacted. Violation by the scrap dealer should be a felony and closing the business. If no one would buy a stolen converter then no one would steal one.
The WA legislation basically requires the seller and the buyer to be documented with drivers licenses, vehicle license used to transport the converter to the buyer, etc, etc. The system is setup so that selling a stolen converter to WA scrape dealer would make it very easy for law enforcement to find the seller. All good, the result , "middlemen thieves" buying large numbers of stolen converters and taking them to a state without such documentation requirements. I think the legislation is good, but every state need to enact similar legislation or federal regulation would be good And yes car makers should start stamping converters with the vin.
So Ski is wrong about the legislature and being behind Tejas? Shocking

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PostWed May 17, 2023 8:27 am 
Randito wrote:
The WA legislation basically requires the seller and the buyer to be documented with drivers licenses,
If you've ever wondered why people who are old enough to buy alcohol pay for fake IDs, you just learned the answer.

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PostWed May 17, 2023 9:42 am 
Cyclopath wrote:
Randito wrote:
The WA legislation basically requires the seller and the buyer to be documented with drivers licenses,
If you've ever wondered why people who are old enough to buy alcohol pay for fake IDs, you just learned the answer.
Sure and fake license plates and registration for the vehicle used to transport the scrap to the dealer. Also the dealer employee that accepted the id's is now subject to criminal penalties if they don't meet the documentation requirements. Sure people will try to beat the system. Is that a good argument for not having any laws. Drunk driving was illegal in the 60s , but tighter regulations and increased enforcement has substantially reduced the number of DUI caused collisions and fatalities in recent decades.

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PostWed May 17, 2023 10:45 pm 
Always see guys swerving BIG coming out the casinos!!

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