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PostThu Dec 07, 2023 11:53 pm 
Once it goes rah you know how fierce it is!!

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PostFri Dec 08, 2023 5:13 am 
Do they really say "RAH"?

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PostFri Dec 08, 2023 7:37 am 
timberghost wrote:
Do they really say "RAH"?
Well, yes, but that's usually followed by a few more "RAH"s and a couple of "Go Team!"s. ... I'll see myself out.

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PostTue Jan 09, 2024 8:21 pm 
RCW 77.12.035 will prevent successful implementation of alternatives B or C: “Grizzly bears shall not be transplanted or introduced into the state. Only grizzly bears that are native to Washington state may be utilized by the department for management programs.” This means by law WDFW can NOT be involved in any way with implementing either alternative (B or C). They have ZERO power or duty to deal with a transplanted bear. This means WDFW officers will have ZERO enforcement jurisdiction regarding transplanted bears (don’t piss off a Fed Boi). Also, the “Impact Statement” relies heavily on the “1986 Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee Plan for Determining Grizzly Bear Nuisance Status and for Controlling Nuisance Grizzly Bears for the North Cascades Ecosystem” (“IGBC Plan”, Appendix D), which in turn relies heavily on “State fish and Wildlife” agency support. But in every case cited, the impact statement fails to address how the IGBC Plan will work without WDFW support. The IGBC Plan also states clearly that all state laws are to be followed. RCW permits WDFW to “fully participate in all discussions and negotiations”, but they really dropped the ball when reviewing the Impact Statement because they failed to point out the impact of their inability to lawfully support alternatives B and C. I would expect multiple lawsuits if alternative B or (when) alternative C is selected. They probably will violate the Administrative Procedures Act by selecting an alternative that they knew will require breaking state law. Or WDFW can be sued in state court to prohibit participation so either plan will just crumble

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PostWed Jan 10, 2024 7:57 am 
That state law was implemented in 1995 at the behest of Okanogan ranchers, and has remained unchanged for nearly 30 years. WA has changed dramatically (and politically) in the last 30 years and I wouldn't be surprised if WA modifies that law to jive with federal plans to reintroduce grizzlies, if that is what the feds decide.

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PostFri Jan 12, 2024 4:14 pm 
altasnob wrote:
That state law was implemented in 1995 at the behest of Okanogan ranchers, and has remained unchanged for nearly 30 years. WA has changed dramatically (and politically) in the last 30 years and I wouldn't be surprised if WA modifies that law to jive with federal plans to reintroduce grizzlies, if that is what the feds decide.
Probably won't see an RCW change this session due to the '24 elections. Not sure when the feds will announce they selected alternative C, so if the RCW remains unchanged much popcorn will be popped.

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PostFri Jan 12, 2024 8:32 pm 
This is from the EIS.
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While the law prohibits the WDFW from reintroducing grizzly bears from outside Washington, it directs the WDFW to participate fully in all discussions and negotiations with federal and state agencies relating to grizzly bear management.

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PostSat Jan 13, 2024 7:39 am 
"While the law prohibits the WDFW from reintroducing grizzly bears from outside Washington, it directs the WDFW to participate fully in all discussions and negotiations with federal and state agencies relating to grizzly bear management." IOW: A complete and total waste of taxpayers' money and WDFW staff time.

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PostSun Jan 14, 2024 1:58 pm 
Written to comply with federal law, which probably requires consultation with the state, while retaining authority to ignore the state?

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