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forest gnome
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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 7:21 pm 
what about the electric scooters?...some have up to 750 andnewer ones 1000 watt motors....36v. but not nickle metal hydr. batt. I would allso go to thje electric scooter/bike store in ballard they know all.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 7:24 pm 
David & Karen wrote:
It's the norm up here - most enthusiasts have small dirt bikes
Some of us have sml bikes down here too hockeygrin.gif
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Unfortunately, can't use it on the Middle Fork.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 7:31 pm 
except after 10pm with a headlamp!!!!!... hockeygrin.gif

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 8:10 pm 
Have you thought of solar panels the size of WINGS? hockeygrin.gif lol.gif paranoid.gif shakehead.gif dizzy.gif doh.gif hmmm.gif bawl.gif winksmile.gif agree.gif waah.gif eek.gif rolleyes.gif

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 8:12 pm 
H. Hound, here's a couple vids of someone who got that kit. Hard to tell how well it would do off paved roads. Sounds like he's happy with it except for the mileage.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 9:52 pm 
Consider that on a closed logging you'll eventually run across a downed log or two. A body wouldn't want anything that's so heavy you can't wrangle it up & over sumpin' on occasion.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 10:06 pm 
Quark wrote:
A body wouldn't anything that's so heavy you can't wrangle it up & over sumpin' on occasion.
Dammit, Q! Makes sumpin sense for me, please.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 10:46 pm 
I forgot to put in a word, so fixed it. Ahem! A body wouldn't want sumpin' so heavy he or she can't heft it over a downed log or 90. Bike with motor, yeah - motor scooter? Have a backup plan.

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PostWed Aug 01, 2007 11:41 pm 
Just make sure the engine is powerful enough to carry a chainsaw too.

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PostThu Aug 02, 2007 12:39 am 
If we can get it in and out of our truck, there's no problemo with going over a downed tree. Rockslides - heck, that's where Doug guns it and has fun clown.gif Anyway, H. Hound has been looking at that electric bike for a while, he's got me interested too. My KE100 m/c is a heck of a lot louder and obviously more noticeable than something like that.

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PostTue Aug 07, 2007 10:50 pm 
Not electric, but any experience w/ motor-mounted bikes?
RE: Not electric, but any experience w/ motor-mounted bikes? See: http://www.bikeengines.com [Believe there was an earlier thread on this ?? ]

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PostWed Aug 08, 2007 7:01 am 
7 lbs for the smallest engine is not unreasonable.

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PostWed Aug 08, 2007 12:37 pm 
mpaul_hansen, thanks for the link. That may be a much cheaper and better alternative for logging road use for several reasons. First, it has rear wheel drive. I am told front drive hubs like the one H. Hound mentioned will spin too much off pavement since the majority of the weight is on the other wheel. Front drive hubs also require a heavy steel frame bike - the torque will break an aluminum fork. Second it appears to be geared which is critical for long uphill sections. Third, gas instead of batteries. Inexpensive SLA batteries that come with the entry level e-bike kits won't do because they need to be recharged immediately after use. They're also very heavy. NIMH batteries are lighter and don't need to be re-charged right away but cost more and don't provide as much juice on hills. Lithium batteries seem to be the best option but they are very expensive. The cheapest geared rear hub ebike kit with a high amp controller and lithium battery is ~$1400. So the ~$700 gas kits look like a better option assuming they aren't too noisy.

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PostWed Aug 08, 2007 7:08 pm 
Here's some more gas powered kits. They look to be higher quality but installation may be trickier.

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PostThu Aug 09, 2007 6:32 am 
Please help me out here, Tom. How is an ebike not considered motorized? It seems strange that gas-powered vehicles of any type would be restricted at forest road gates but electric ones are OK? I guess I need a better definition of what "Motorized Vehicles Prohibited" means.

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