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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 6:42 pm 
1st off I would like to say that I can see why this hike is so popular--green meadows, flowers, a milky-green lake, wildlife...all surrounded by towering peaks situated where you can get great views of the 3 main volcanoes.  up.gif  up.gif   What more could one ask for?  cool.gif

I'd been wanting to do Snowgrass Flats for some time now, since the Goat Rocks Wilderness is an area I haven't explored much & what I've seen & read about it has made it very tantalizing.  tongue.gif Knowing that the SG Flats/Goat Lk. loop was supposed to be super crowded, we headed out on a couple of weekdays to have more solitude.  This was a great choice, as we only saw 4 people the 1st day & another 3 the 2nd day & they were all day hikers.  up.gif

DAY 1

MM & I started out from the Snowgrass Flats TH, reached via FR 21 & FR 2150 (SW of Packwood off of hwy. 12).  About 13 mi. in, go left @ the Y which doesn't have any sign except for one about trees where someone hand wrote the words "Chambers Lake".  Then go left @ the next Y, which does have an official sign for Chambers Lk./SG Flats.  Pass the turn for Chambers Lk. & make a right into the parking area for SG Flats.  FR 21 is very smooth, FR 2150 has some potholes & washboards but can be avoided to some degree.  dizzy.gif

At the TH we saw a sign from someone looking for 3 lost horses.  Not sure how one could manage to lose 3 horses  confused.gif , but whatever.  wink.gif I hope they get found.  up.gif

TH
TH
Good reason to go mid-week
Good reason to go mid-week
Oops...
Oops...

The trail begins as a nice flat forest walk, crossing a creek & going by a small pond / marshy area as well as some small streams.

Wilderness boundary sign
Wilderness boundary sign
Beginning part of trail
Beginning part of trail
MM coming up the trail
MM coming up the trail
Creek
Creek
Creek
Creek
Bridge
Bridge
Marshy area
Marshy area
Shaggy trees
Shaggy trees
Creek
Creek

Next, the trail gains 1400' or so & reaches the Bypass Trail.  We bypassed the bypass trail  wink.gif  & continued straight for Snowgrass Flats.

Junction w/the Bypass Tr
Junction w/the Bypass Tr
Fall color
Fall color
Snowgrass Flats area
Snowgrass Flats area
Starting to get some views...
Starting to get some views...
Snowgrass Flats
Snowgrass Flats
Beargrass bloom
Beargrass bloom

At SG Flats there's a maze of trails--go left to take the lower/shorter trail to Goat Lk., stay straight to hook up w/the upper trail (PCT).  After some head scratching we went straight which turned out to be the right choice, as it soon turned uphill & to the east, getting us closer to Old Snowy Mtn.  It was up here that the views really started opening up to some of the pks. of the Goat Rocks.  up.gif  up.gif

Hawkeye Pt.
Hawkeye Pt.
Old Snowy Mtn. & Ives Pk.
Old Snowy Mtn. & Ives Pk.
Old Snowy Mtn.
Old Snowy Mtn.
Ives Pk.
Ives Pk.
Unnamed pks. between Old Snowy Mtn. & Ives Pk.
Unnamed pks. between Old Snowy Mtn. & Ives Pk.
Going limp
Going limp

The trail dips in & out of trees, then really opens up once it reaches the junction w/the PCT & Bypass (is this the area of "the real SG Flats"?).  At this junction we chatted w/2 chicks we saw earlier on the trail.  They were contemplating going further or heading back, & ultimately decided to press on a little further until reaching their TAT.

Junction w/the PCT
Junction w/the PCT
MM coming up the trail
MM coming up the trail
Stream
Stream

We took a brief break & headed up a little further as well, & passed a nice campsite w/a few trees & rock shelter.  We stashed our o/n packs behind some rocks @ the top of the Packwood Glacier crossing, & headed up toward Old Snowy w/a daypack.

Big rocks
Big rocks
The most we ever saw of Adams during the day
The most we ever saw of Adams during the day
Low clouds
Low clouds
Rocky nub
Rocky nub
Layered rock
Layered rock
Heading up to camp
Heading up to camp
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Johnson Pk.
Johnson Pk.
Zoom of Goat Lk.
Zoom of Goat Lk.
MM checking out Goat Lk.
MM checking out Goat Lk.
Pks. across the way
Pks. across the way
MM w/Goat Lk. behind
MM w/Goat Lk. behind
Fresh dusting of snow
Fresh dusting of snow

The snow crossing wasn't bad as it was a pretty low angle w/a somewhat decent runout  hmmm.gif & a path already beaten in.  Once across, we picked up the trail again as it switchbacked uphill toward a little pass on Old Snowy's north shoulder.

Crossing Little Packwood Glacier
Crossing Little Packwood Glacier
Egg Butte & unnamed pks. to the north
4 labels
Egg Butte & unnamed pks. to the north
Looking down the Upper Lk. Crk. valley
Looking down the Upper Lk. Crk. valley
MM takes in the view
MM takes in the view
Old Snowy on the right
Old Snowy on the right
Junction
Junction
Headin' up toward Old Snowy
Headin' up toward Old Snowy
Almost to the ridge
Almost to the ridge
The home stretch
The home stretch

From the pass it was just a short distance up to the peak, which was mostly a walk-up.  There is one section near the top that is a bit scrambly where you can either go left near the edge  eek.gif  or straight up the middle.  We took the middle more scrambly part up, & the side more exposed way down.  Just after this scrambly bit it flattens for a tiny bit before the final airy walk/scramble to the summit.  The summit area is fairly exposed but there is a little flat spot just below for acrophobes to hang out.  I sat on the top but had to fight off the dizziness.  dizzy.gif  I think this time it was more due to elevation & exertion than fear, b/c it wasn't that bad of a summit.  wink.gif

Heading up through the rocks
Heading up through the rocks
Looking back down to the junction w/the PCT
Looking back down to the junction w/the PCT
Zoom of Gilbert Pk. & Big Horn.
Zoom of Gilbert Pk. & Big Horn.
Zoom of Ives Pk.
Zoom of Ives Pk.
Goat Lk. as seen from Old Snowy summit
Goat Lk. as seen from Old Snowy summit
Goat Lk. as seen from Old Snowy summit
Goat Lk. as seen from Old Snowy summit
Looking down the valley
Looking down the valley
PCT runs along these pks.
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PCT runs along these pks.
Johnson Pk.
Johnson Pk.
Zoom of Goat Lk. as seen from atop Old Snowy
Zoom of Goat Lk. as seen from atop Old Snowy
Pinegrass Ridge(?)
Pinegrass Ridge(?)
Egg Butte far below
Egg Butte far below
Mt. Rainier
Mt. Rainier
Hawkeye Pt. & Goat Lk.
Hawkeye Pt. & Goat Lk.
Little tarn far below
Little tarn far below
Tieton Pk.
3 labels
Tieton Pk.
Above the clouds
Above the clouds
BC & MM on the summit of Old Snowy.  Flash made the surroundings look darker than they were. ;-)
BC & MM on the summit of Old Snowy.  Flash made the surroundings look darker than they were. ;-)
MM on the summit of Old Snowy
MM on the summit of Old Snowy

It was getting cloudier & colder & daylight was running short, so after summit pics & a fruitless register search, we headed back down to camp.

MM coming down
MM coming down
Heading back down the ridge
Heading back down the ridge
Colorful clouds
Colorful clouds
Time to try the jalapeno lemonade / margarita mix!
Time to try the jalapeno lemonade / margarita mix!

That night proved to be freezing cold.  MM & I snuggled as best we could, but I was still cold even w/wearing 4 layers inside my 15-degree bag.  shakehead.gif   We had a mouse crawling between the tent body & fly; I could see its shadow in the moonlight.  paranoid.gif  Later on in the night we heard a pack of coyotes howling far off in the distance, & from time to time a light breeze would rattle the tent.  Needless to say I didn't sleep that well.  irked.gif In the morning, MM got prepared for the elements before exiting the tent.

DAY 2

Welcome to late September
Welcome to late September

lol.gif

At least we got a good shot of Rainier in the morning, & we saw the base of St. Helens.  Adams was still mostly in the clouds.

Rainier in the AM
Rainier in the AM
MM @ camp in the AM
MM @ camp in the AM
Campsite
Campsite
Ice crystals
Ice crystals
Frost on the tent fly
Frost on the tent fly
Finally a pretty clear shot of Rainier
Finally a pretty clear shot of Rainier
Still only the bottom of Mt. Adams visible
Still only the bottom of Mt. Adams visible
Goat Lk. in the AM
Goat Lk. in the AM
Mt. St. Helens
Mt. St. Helens
MM coming back from filtering water
MM coming back from filtering water

After a leisurely morning @ camp, we packed up & made our way down to the main trail, picking up a side trail along the way.  We began to see chipmunks, squirrels, deer, goats, & marmots.  wub.gif

Crevasse....or just a stream underneath
Crevasse....or just a stream underneath
Trail across Little Packwood Glacier
Trail across Little Packwood Glacier
Heading over to Goat Lk.
Heading over to Goat Lk.
Stream
Stream
Lower trail to Goat Lk.
Lower trail to Goat Lk.
Old Snowy & MM
Old Snowy & MM
Looking down the valley
Looking down the valley
Goat Lk. outlet
Goat Lk. outlet
Can you spot the marmot?
1 label
Can you spot the marmot?
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot & Mt. Adams
Marmot & Mt. Adams
Goats
Goats

Once @ Goat Lk., we sat down for a snack & contemplated going up to Hawkeye Pt.  We ultimately decided to save it for another day, as we would be getting back late enough as it was.

Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.
Reflection
Reflection
Paintbrush @ Goat Lk.
Paintbrush @ Goat Lk.
Goats above Goat Lk.
Goats above Goat Lk.
How many goats can you count?
How many goats can you count?
Goat Lk.
Goat Lk.

Marmots:

Marmots
Marmots
Marmots
Marmots
Old Snowy Mtn. & marmot
1 label
Old Snowy Mtn. & marmot
So fat
So fat
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot

From Goat Lk. we climbed up toward Jordan Pass then dropped down the other side into the basin, where we met a solo hiker wondering if it was worth it to continue on to Goat Lk. (yes!).  agree.gif

Looking across to Old Snowy
Looking across to Old Snowy
Heading toward Jordan Pass
Heading toward Jordan Pass
Jordan Pass ahead
Jordan Pass ahead
Jordan Basin
Jordan Basin
Heading down into Jordan Basin
Heading down into Jordan Basin
Jordan Basin
Jordan Basin
Flowers & Jordan Crk.
Flowers & Jordan Crk.
Jordan Basin & beyond
Jordan Basin & beyond
Traversing
Traversing
Fall is here
Fall is here
Cliffy stuff
Cliffy stuff
Looking back @ Jordan Basin
Looking back @ Jordan Basin
Jordan Crk. Falls
Jordan Crk. Falls
MM @ junction
MM @ junction

The trail leaves Jordan Basin & curves more to the south, where we came to the junction w/the Goat Pk. LO trail.  Once again we considered checking this out but ultimately decided to save it for when we'd be coming back via Jordan Crk. & going up to Hawkeye Pt.  I think we were both getting tired & were ready to enjoy an easy downhill remainder to the trip.  Plus, this way we were sure to get to Plaza Jalisco before closing time.  souse.gif  hungry.gif

Junction w/trail to Goat Pk. LO
Junction w/trail to Goat Pk. LO
Looking back across to the Goat Rocks
Looking back across to the Goat Rocks
Goat Rocks Pks.
Goat Rocks Pks.
Back to the forested trail
Back to the forested trail

Once we were almost back to the rd., we turned left on the trail that cuts back over to the SG Flats TH.

Definitely a 2 thumbs up for this trip!   up.gif  up.gif  hockeygrin.gif

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 8:43 pm 
yeah, seems kind of difficult to lose three horses...

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 9:14 pm 
I am glad you went up Old Snowy the views are awesome, i have been kicking my self for wimping on the wind last trip...

I heard the horses were spooked off a night picket

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 9:31 pm 
Great TR  up.gif  up.gif  Excellent photos & description - many thanks!

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 10:37 pm 
Excellent TR you two. You both really know how to kick but in September! You are following very well in last year's footsteps (you had an awesome September 2009).  up.gif  up.gif  up.gif

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 10:45 pm 
Gorgeous pictures BC.  up.gif   That layered rock is some crazy stuff.  I would call that split a glide crack.  To me it's not a crevasse unless you can get hurt in it.

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PostThu Sep 23, 2010 10:47 pm 
Nice job BC! Looks like alot of fun!

And the horses... really? WTH?  confused.gif

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 4:22 am 
Nice place. Wish I was there. Since this connects to the PCT, next time we could explore the area a lot more in mid August when it is warm and more flowers are blooming.

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 5:30 am 
Bloated Chipmunk wrote:

That night proved to be freezing cold.† MM & I snuggled as best we could, but I was still cold even w/wearing 4 layers inside my 15-degree bag.†

Next time, more jalapenos in the margaritas should help...

Horses spook so easily, and their primary defense is to run like hell. They may have had good reason on an overnight with the lions, tigers, and bears. Should be easier to find a herd of 3 rather than a solo.

Thanks for the detail.  Exciting to know there is still so much to explore in our backyard!

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 8:16 am 
Trailblazing Todd wrote:
Nice place. Wish I was there. Since this connects to the PCT, next time we could explore the area a lot more in mid August when it is warm and more flowers are blooming.

Yeah, mid-August may be warmer & more flowery, but @ the same time it seemed like one wouldn't want to go much sooner than we did b/c when I look @ earlier TRs, there's a lot more snow.  hmmm.gif

In any case I would like to go back, this time coming up Jordan Creek & hitting Goat Pk. LO & Hawkeye Pt., & possibly Johnson Pk. too depending on how many days we're there.  agree.gif

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:16 am 
Such a beautiful area! up.gif  up.gif  Here are my pics:

Topo:

Old Snowy & Goat Lake loop
Old Snowy & Goat Lake loop

Starting off:

Trail head.
Trail head.
Creek from bridge.
Creek from bridge.
Goat Creek?
Goat Creek?
Stream along trail.
Stream along trail.
Ives Peak
Ives Peak
BC
BC
Fluffy
Fluffy
Wilting Bear Grass flower.
Wilting Bear Grass flower.

Snowgrass Flats:

Old Snowy to Ives Peak.
Old Snowy to Ives Peak.
View from Snowgrass Flats area.
View from Snowgrass Flats area.
Snowgrass Flats
Snowgrass Flats

Snowgrass Flats area.
Snowgrass Flats area.
Snowgrass Flats area.
Snowgrass Flats area.
Interesting layered rock.
Interesting layered rock.
Marmot
Marmot
Peak along ridge between Old Snowy and Ives.
Peak along ridge between Old Snowy and Ives.
Goat Lake
Goat Lake
Zoom of Goat Lake and Falls.
Zoom of Goat Lake and Falls.

Old Snowy Mtn:

BC below Old Snowy.
BC below Old Snowy.
Looking across Packwood Glacier towards Egg Butte and Point 7210.
Looking across Packwood Glacier towards Egg Butte and Point 7210.
Looking down Upper Lake Creek.
Looking down Upper Lake Creek.
Looking up at Old Snowy.
Looking up at Old Snowy.
Gilbert, Big Horn and Ives to the SE.
Gilbert, Big Horn and Ives to the SE.
Balanced rock on Ives Peak.
Balanced rock on Ives Peak.
Zoom of Big Horn.
Zoom of Big Horn.
Gilbert Peak
Gilbert Peak
Looking South at Ives Peak.
Looking South at Ives Peak.
BC on Old Snowy Mtn. and Goat lake in background.
BC on Old Snowy Mtn. and Goat lake in background.
Looking North
Looking North
Goat Lake from Old Snowy.
Goat Lake from Old Snowy.
Goat Ridge
Goat Ridge
Egg Butte
Egg Butte
Point 7210 above Egg Butte.
Point 7210 above Egg Butte.
Tieton Peak
Tieton Peak
Rainier through cloud window.
Rainier through cloud window.
Rainier from Old Snowy.
Rainier from Old Snowy.
Bear Creek Mtn. and Devils Horn.
Bear Creek Mtn. and Devils Horn.
Devils Horn
Devils Horn
BC and MM on Old Snowy Mtn.
BC and MM on Old Snowy Mtn.
Above the clouds.
Above the clouds.
BC on the way down from Old Snowy.
BC on the way down from Old Snowy.
Looking back at Old Snowy.
Looking back at Old Snowy.
Clouds and Rainier.
Clouds and Rainier.
Sunset
Sunset

Second day:

Morning ice crystals
Morning ice crystals
Goat Lake and Rainier from camp.
Goat Lake and Rainier from camp.
Goat Ridge
Goat Ridge
Mt Rainier
Mt Rainier
Small crevasse
Small crevasse
Hawkeye Point and Goat Lake.
Hawkeye Point and Goat Lake.
Goat Lake and water fall.
Goat Lake and water fall.
Deer above the trail.
Deer above the trail.

Goat Lake Pano from below Old Snowy Mtn:

Goat Lake area.
Goat Lake area.

Approaching Goat Lake:

Almost down to the main trail.
Almost down to the main trail.
Trail to Goat Lake
Trail to Goat Lake
BC on trail to Goat Lake.
BC on trail to Goat Lake.
Looking back at Old Snowy.
Looking back at Old Snowy.
Goat Creek basin
Goat Creek basin
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Outlet from Goat Lake.
Outlet from Goat Lake.
Flowers near Goat Lake.
Flowers near Goat Lake.
Paintbrush and blue flowers
Paintbrush and blue flowers

Goat lake:

Arriving at Goat Lake.
Arriving at Goat Lake.
Goat lake
Goat lake
Iceberg
Iceberg
Goat Lake
Goat Lake

Panos of Goat Lake:

Goat Lake 1
Goat Lake 1
Goat lake 2
Goat lake 2

Goats above Goat Lake:

Goats
Goats
Goats
Goats
Goats
Goats

Marmots at Goat Lake:

Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmots almost kissing
Marmots almost kissing
Marmots
Marmots
Marmots
Marmots
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot
Marmot

Panos from above Goat Lake:

Old Snowy and looking down Goat Creek from Goat Lake.
Old Snowy and looking down Goat Creek from Goat Lake.
Goat Lake and Old Snowy.
Goat Lake and Old Snowy.

Heading to Jordan Basin:

Old Snowy Mtn. from near Goat Lake.
Old Snowy Mtn. from near Goat Lake.
On the trail between Goat Lake and Jordan Basin.
On the trail between Goat Lake and Jordan Basin.
Ives Peak and spire to the north.
Ives Peak and spire to the north.

Paintbrush
Paintbrush
Daisies
Daisies
Paintbrush
Paintbrush

Jordan basin:

Headed down into upper Jorddan Basin.
Headed down into upper Jorddan Basin.
Jordan Basin
Jordan Basin

Jordan Basin
Jordan Basin
Looking down Jordan Basin.
Looking down Jordan Basin.
On the way down above Jordan Basin.
On the way down above Jordan Basin.

Fall color
Fall color
Hawkeye Point in the middle.
Hawkeye Point in the middle.
Jordan Creek Falls
Jordan Creek Falls

Views from the trail:

Old Snowy Mtn. to Gilbert Peak.
Old Snowy Mtn. to Gilbert Peak.
Gilbert Peak on the right I think.
Gilbert Peak on the right I think.
Old Snowy
Old Snowy

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:55 am 
Nice report.

I don't think your pictures are of the Packwood Glacier; they're of a big snowfield south of (and across a ridge from) the glacier. If you had continued north on the "Stock Trail" branch of the PCT, you would have crossed above (I think, since the glacier has shrunk plus it's September) Packwood Glacier as you passed under Old Snowy.

Also, according to Slugman, I don't think you saw the true Snowgrass Flats (neither did I when I was there). They're in the angle E of Trail 96 and W of the PCT, and the trails to them have been decommissioned. The only way to them now is to walk through the woods or take trails clearly marked "Closed for Restoration" or whatever.

Also, that wasn't Old Snowy and that wasn't Goat Lake. Nah, just kidding on the last part.  wink.gif

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:23 am 
Yeah, I wondered about the Packwood Glacier & thought it might be further down, so I kept looking @ my maps but it seemed to indicate that it stretched up to meet the trail....but maybe that is just the stock trail shown on the map.  dizzy.gif In any case it was some sort of "permanent snowfield".  wink.gif

I remember in Slugman's report a note about going to the "real" SG Flats; we just stuck to the regular trails on the way up to camp so I figured we prolly just saw the false Flats.  doh.gif  Our main goal was Old Snowy anyhow.  hockeygrin.gif

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 8:51 pm 
Here's a topo map with our route.  It looks like we did pretty much go around the flats, but we were close!  We tried to go that way, but the trails either fizzled or there were the signs saying "closed for restoration".

Looking closer at the map, it does look like we crossed a detached snowfield.  Since it's unnamed, lets just call it Little Packwood Glacier. wink.gif

Old Snowy & Goat Lake loop
Old Snowy & Goat Lake loop

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:25 pm 
When you come out of the woods into the "false flats", turn back around, go a hundred yards back on the trail, and turn left into the woods (right if on your way up). You will soon be in the real flats. But it's mainly a flower show there, so you might not have missed much at this time of year.

The rock in the picture you (BC) labeled "Big rocks" is called Split Rock. There is room for a small tent or a bivy inside the split. What a cool place that would be to camp.

Anyway, excellent pictures and report, thanks. I've never been to the top of Old Snowy, just to the high point of the PCT below the peak.

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