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MadCapLaughs
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| Ringangleclaw wrote: | | You don't respond by crying like some young lady in the seventh grade |
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Magellan
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 Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:33 pm |
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It looks like the same bear on two different days.
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ChuckM
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Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:30 am |
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This hike is certainly no one's "best kept secret". I remember reading a TR by nordique who was up there the same day I was. He took some zoomed shots of the black bear and posted on his flickr link. I emailed him some of my close up pictures and he was kind enough to include those as well.
Ripple also referenced this TR which mentions a large bear. I'll take credit for being the photographer (my part of the conversation was basically "click, click, click" at 4.5 frames per second).
Maybe there are more pictures of this bear out there??
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gb
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:41 pm |
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| Flower Sniffer wrote: | | The general consensus seems to be that grizzly and black bears can't breed. Apparently they parted ways genetically too far back, so they are not compatable. The grizzly and polar bear parted ways in more recent history, so they are able to breed, but it is rare. Here's a website on the subject.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/polar-bears_2.html |
Now suppose you were a teenage (human years) male grizzly bear that had wandered into the North Cascades. Lord knows you would want to breed. Just who are you going to breed with?
Partners are in short supply.....
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Flower Sniffer
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Okay, I should have been more specific. The general consensus seems that a grizzly and black bear cannot produce offspring. I'm sure they could do the wild thing if they were so inclined. 
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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Slugman
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| Ringangleclaw wrote: | | NewlyNorwegian wrote: | | Why not take pot shots at the Feds? As one of the biologists who looked at these photos, I take it personally when someone insults all Federal employees, let alone the group of us who were given those photos. I get tired of blanket insults, or as one co-worker calls it: "uncontrolable ego vomit." It's unfortunate there's so much of that allowed here. Insult someone by name is cowardice, insult an entire group of people you probably know nothing about is lower than cowardice. I usually let this kind of garbage roll off my back, but there's just too much trash allowed here. It's one of the most hostile forums I've ever seen.
So, not necessarily "cabin fever" since there is so much of this kind of stuff from a few individuals. |
This post cracks me up. Shows why some people shouldn't be biologists, let alone federal biologists. When a scientific finding is questioned, you respond with further evidence. You don't respond by crying like some young lady in the seventh grade |
There was no "questioning of a scientific finding" in the Federal employee bashing in question. There was simply a blanket statement that federal employees were incompetent for not recognizing a grizzly bear without even seeing the picture. If you bothered to read the thread, you would see just how completely brainless dave workman's complaint was. And backpacker joe's knee jerk response. The complaint was based on dave's being unable to process standard English without altering the meaning of what was written to satisfy his need to bash government at all times. Dave actually agreed with the findings, as you would know if you could/did read what he wrote. The labeling of their comments as "vomit" was right on target. Too bad you are either unable or unwilling to read what you are attacking. And please, no whining about how mean I'm being to you, since you lowered your own bar with your snide comment about the crying seventh grade young lady. Your post shows why you shouldn't be allowed to bother the grownups while they are talking.
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George Winters
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The High Country News (HCN) article by Nathan Rice is now reprinted in Crosscut: Forget Sasquatch: The elusive Cascade Grizzly
There have been follow up comments in HCN but reading the entire article and comments there is limited to subscribers.
When you are "miles from nowhere" you must have finally arrived at somewhere.
When you are "miles from nowhere" you must have finally arrived at somewhere.
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Asshat Redux
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I think that if we were to take silohouetted photos of all of you, you'd all look like the experts on the panel.
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Burke M
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Ringangleclaw
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| Slugman wrote: | | Ringangleclaw wrote: | | NewlyNorwegian wrote: | | Why not take pot shots at the Feds? As one of the biologists who looked at these photos, I take it personally when someone insults all Federal employees, let alone the group of us who were given those photos. I get tired of blanket insults, or as one co-worker calls it: "uncontrolable ego vomit." It's unfortunate there's so much of that allowed here. Insult someone by name is cowardice, insult an entire group of people you probably know nothing about is lower than cowardice. I usually let this kind of garbage roll off my back, but there's just too much trash allowed here. It's one of the most hostile forums I've ever seen.
So, not necessarily "cabin fever" since there is so much of this kind of stuff from a few individuals. |
This post cracks me up. Shows why some people shouldn't be biologists, let alone federal biologists. When a scientific finding is questioned, you respond with further evidence. You don't respond by crying like some young lady in the seventh grade |
There was no "questioning of a scientific finding" in the Federal employee bashing in question. There was simply a blanket statement that federal employees were incompetent for not recognizing a grizzly bear without even seeing the picture. If you bothered to read the thread, you would see just how completely brainless dave workman's complaint was. And backpacker joe's knee jerk response. The complaint was based on dave's being unable to process standard English without altering the meaning of what was written to satisfy his need to bash government at all times. Dave actually agreed with the findings, as you would know if you could/did read what he wrote. The labeling of their comments as "vomit" was right on target. Too bad you are either unable or unwilling to read what you are attacking. And please, no whining about how mean I'm being to you, since you lowered your own bar with your snide comment about the crying seventh grade young lady. Your post shows why you shouldn't be allowed to bother the grownups while they are talking. |
I thought you were ignoring me. I guess not.
Please feel free to
But to your point, what Dave said was actually very innocous and hardly qualifies as "ego vomit".
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BeyondLost
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| Dave Workman wrote: | | I took one look at the image as a thumbnail and saw immediately it was a griz. That hump is kind of hard to mistake. |
I've seen black bear with an apparent hump, especially in a large, old black bear. It can be accentuated by the phase of gait and weight bearing as well as the position of the bear. Especially, on a slope if browsing on low ground cover.
Here are a few stock pics, all of black bear. That "pseudo hump" can be confusing.
 black bear 7.jpg  black bear 6.jpg  black bear 5.jpg  black bear 4.jpg  black bear 3.jpg  Black bear.jpg  Black bear 2.jpg
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Kat
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:03 am |
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That second to last photo would definitely have had me thinking that bear was a grizzly. Being no expert!
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gb
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:43 pm |
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| Kat wrote: | | That second to last photo would definitely have had me thinking that bear was a grizzly. Being no expert! |
A hump for me doesn't look definitive except in profile and with the bear moving. But the snout of a black bear to me looks much like the snout of a Golden Retriever in profile or face on. The second to last photo doesn't have the snout shape of a grizzly, but I'd have to say the Grizzled fur sure is misleading.
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GrnXnham
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:15 pm |
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| BeyondLost wrote: | | Dave Workman wrote: | | I took one look at the image as a thumbnail and saw immediately it was a griz. That hump is kind of hard to mistake. |
I've seen black bear with an apparent hump, especially in a large, old black bear. It can be accentuated by the phase of gait and weight bearing as well as the position of the bear. Especially, on a slope if browsing on low ground cover.
Here are a few stock pics, all of black bear. That "pseudo hump" can be confusing.
black bear 7.jpg black bear 6.jpg black bear 5.jpg black bear 4.jpg black bear 3.jpg Black bear.jpg Black bear 2.jpg |
Are these your pics? What is your source for calling all of these black bears? I'd swear that pictures 1,2, and 6 are grizzlies.
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Magellan
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:33 pm |
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I also think number one looks like a grizz. (I got 87% on the test from page one. )
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