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PostSun Oct 01, 2023 4:40 pm 
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Pretty ironic from the guy who has continually tried to instill fear of wildlife in the public: "Anyone questioning why people carry sidearms whenever they step off the pavement just “ain’t from around here,” or they have a serious misunderstanding of just how “wild” wildlife can be." -Dave Workman
You were saying....? https://helenair.com/news/state-regional/grizzly-bear-killed-tom-miner-basin/article_aef90f3a-4907-11ee-92b0-07323b7fe883.html https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/9-year-old-attacked-by-cougar-declared-bravest-girl-earth/MAOZGP3AVZHJ7MLHTNLEKAYZI4/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/two-killed-grizzly-attack-banff-1.6983944 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/07/grizzly-bear-yellowstone-killed-amie-adamson

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PostMon Oct 02, 2023 9:44 am 
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now almost all hunting is "sport" hunting
This simply is not true and is a colossal fallacy to project as an absolute truth.

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PostMon Oct 02, 2023 9:47 am 
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PostMon Oct 02, 2023 10:37 am 
Yea out of state influences as to what goes on here at the state level shouldn't happen. It would be like us voting on who the governor of North Dakota should be.

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PostMon Oct 02, 2023 3:51 pm 
You can vote for the governor of whatever state you're registered in.

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PostTue Oct 03, 2023 7:53 am 
My point exactly.

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PostTue Oct 03, 2023 10:00 am 
It is a national park and a national forest anybody in the country can influence the decision. If only local people influenced there would be no NPs or NF because they are the people that make $$$ out of exploiting them. Locals should have the same influence as any body else.

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PostTue Oct 03, 2023 10:43 am 
If they were only for locals they wouldn't be national parks. agree.gif

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PostTue Oct 03, 2023 11:14 am 
No and animals dont know park boundaries either

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PostThu Oct 05, 2023 7:03 am 
Dave Workman wrote:
Sculpin wrote:
Pretty ironic from the guy who has continually tried to instill fear of wildlife in the public: "Anyone questioning why people carry sidearms whenever they step off the pavement just “ain’t from around here,” or they have a serious misunderstanding of just how “wild” wildlife can be." -Dave Workman
You were saying....? https://helenair.com/news/state-regional/grizzly-bear-killed-tom-miner-basin/article_aef90f3a-4907-11ee-92b0-07323b7fe883.html https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/9-year-old-attacked-by-cougar-declared-bravest-girl-earth/MAOZGP3AVZHJ7MLHTNLEKAYZI4/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/two-killed-grizzly-attack-banff-1.6983944 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/07/grizzly-bear-yellowstone-killed-amie-adamson
TO WHICH CAN BE ADDED: https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-elk-hunter-shoots-kills-charging-grizzly-bear-surprise-encounter-officials Just wildlife being "wild." I don't "try to instill fear of wildlife" in anybody. I simply remind people that wild animals are not pets. Others can disagree and pet that bison over there. wink.gif rolleyes.gif

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PostThu Oct 05, 2023 8:20 am 
trestle wrote:
Sculpin wrote:
now almost all hunting is "sport" hunting
This simply is not true and is a colossal fallacy to project as an absolute truth.
Well, let's see about that. I'm always happy to learn. I use the term "sport hunting" to mean hunting for any reason other than meat, and if hunting for meat, that the value of the meat exceeds the costs of obtaining it. I already explained why I use this definition, so I'm not interested in mincing words. This study found that 12% of Montana hunters listed getting meat as the top reason they hunt. https://www.animalsandsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/eliason.pdf The 12% figure does not directly map to my concept of sport hunting, but it nevertheless strongly suggests that my major claim is correct. I would say that 88% is consistent with "almost all." I would be very interested in reading about any data that goes the opposite way.

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PostThu Oct 05, 2023 9:25 am 
Like you said "you" use the term "sport hunting" to define the other percentage of reasons hunters hunt. Which is fine for "you" to classify all other reasons for hunting into one category. That appears to work for you, while others may define it differently. Each has their own view and that doesn't make it right or correct for all. It's like saying 8% of the Tesla a owners buy the car for the way it looks. Then the other 92% buy it to save gas.

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PostMon Oct 09, 2023 9:40 pm 
Cyclopath wrote:
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisdorsey/2023/09/27/ballot-box-biologys-hostile-takeover-of-state-wildlife-agencies/?sh=660736a82d3d
Democracy!! Grrrrr!!!!! 🤬
Everything should be decided by democracy, because the so-called experts don't have knowledge and can't be trusted. For example, the structural design integrity of a bridge should be decided by democracy, not civil engineers. Strategies for public health issues, e.g., Covid, should be decided by democracy because biologists and doctors don't have knowledge and can't be trusted. Accounting standards should be decided by democracy because accountants don't have knowledge and can't be trusted. And ESPECIALLY wildlife and forestry issues should be decided by democracy because wildlife and forestry managers especially don't have knowledge and can't be trusted. Many people on this forum know at least as much as civil engineers know about bridge building, as much as pathologists know about pathology, as much as lawyers know about law, and certainly as much as wildlife and forestry managers know about animals and trees. These are the people who should be making decisions, not the so-called "experts" who went to school and studied this stuff.

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PostTue Oct 10, 2023 5:14 am 
Wildlife issues should be science based decision making and field Biologist's input given the highest priority. Not by some anti hunter commissioner appointed by a governor that doesn't abide by the WAC requirement for diversity.

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