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Sky Hiker Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 1469 | TRs | Pics Location: outside |
Where should it be then in your back yard?
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HitTheTrail Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5452 | TRs | Pics Location: 509 |
MangyMarmot wrote: | Perhaps the WTA can mobilize a professional cairn crew. |
Sounds like the FS already has a professional cairn building effort..
Kim Brown wrote: | One reason we re-built cairns on Aagard the year I worked up there was to guide people away from a particular area where a protected/rare plant grows. |
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RumiDude Marmota olympus
Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 3579 | TRs | Pics Location: Port Angeles |
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Tue May 03, 2022 2:56 pm
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Hiking addict wrote: | I have used cairns for navigation in the past, but I don’t rely on them. One time I was hiking in Southern California and almost missed a junction off a dirt road, if there weren’t cairns there I would have missed it. Many people make cairns just for art but that can confuse navigation. If you want to make a cairn for art don’t do it near a hiking trail. |
It kinda sounds like you did rely on that cairn in California. Your post exemplifies the problem with cairns, you can never tell when it is actually marking the correct way you are looking for. What if that cairn was placed to marking a different junction for a trail/route you were not aware of? What if you followed this other trail for many miles thinking it was the correct way you were wanting only to discover much later you were lost? Or worse you kept going continuing to believe you were on the correct path?
People not only put up art cairns but put up cairns intended to mark the way. The big problem is that many of these people are flat out wrong and if you follow their mistaken cairns you will be wrong as well. The art cairn and mistaken cairn both confuse navigation and it is likely you won't realize that by just looking at them.
If a person is not relying on cairns then they are likely relying on something else for knowing the correct route, usually a route description. Nowadays GPS routes are common as well. Anyway they deem that something else as a better guide than random cairns to navigate. And if that something else is better then the unreliable cairns should be ignored and likely should be dismantled to avoid misleading people.
Rumi <~~~~~misguided
"This is my Indian summer ... I'm far more dangerous now, because I don't care at all."
Bootpathguy, Brian Curtis
"This is my Indian summer ... I'm far more dangerous now, because I don't care at all."
Bootpathguy, Brian Curtis
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Hiking addict Cooper Warpula
Joined: 07 Mar 2022 Posts: 134 | TRs | Pics Location: Keyport Washington |
RumiDude wrote: | Hiking addict wrote: | I have used cairns for navigation in the past, but I don’t rely on them. One time I was hiking in Southern California and almost missed a junction off a dirt road, if there weren’t cairns there I would have missed it. Many people make cairns just for art but that can confuse navigation. If you want to make a cairn for art don’t do it near a hiking trail. |
It kinda sounds like you did rely on that cairn in California. Your post exemplifies the problem with cairns, you can never tell when it is actually marking the correct way you are looking for. What if that cairn was placed to marking a different junction for a trail/route you were not aware of? What if you followed this other trail for many miles thinking it was the correct way you were wanting only to discover much later you were lost? Or worse you kept going continuing to believe you were on the correct path?
People not only put up art cairns but put up cairns intended to mark the way. The big problem is that many of these people are flat out wrong and if you follow their mistaken cairns you will be wrong as well. The art cairn and mistaken cairn both confuse navigation and it is likely you won't realize that by just looking at them.
If a person is not relying on cairns then they are likely relying on something else for knowing the correct route, usuallya routedescription. NowadaysGPSroutesarecommonaswell. Anyway they deem that something else as a better guide than random cairns to navigate. And if that something else is better then the unreliable cairns should be ignored and likely should be dismantled to avoid misleading people.
Rumi <~~~~~misguided |
I agree. If you want to mark the way then use flags, not cairns.
To have a good life, you need to take risks.
To have a good life, you need to take risks.
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7676 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
I am reading the book, "Colorado 14er Disasters"...and there is a chapter about climbing Little Bear peak and that several climbers have descended the wrong couloir with fatal results in a few cases. There are 4 routes down that look similar, but only one is non technical enough to not require a rappel. So, there is a cairn now marking the correct route. So, maybe in cases like that they can be useful, although one should not ever trust to them completely. After all they are all placed by people and people aren't always reliable.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Brucester Member
Joined: 02 Jun 2013 Posts: 1102 | TRs | Pics Location: Greenwood |
PCT- Stampede Pass area. "Roadside cairn."
On the other side of the powerline clearcut there's a roadside cairn at a side road junction that heads towards the PCT.
It was larger in past years but appears to be knocked down a little.
Not sure "why" this is here.
Is it listed in a guide book?
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HitTheTrail Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5452 | TRs | Pics Location: 509 |
There are a few new cairns on the main Entiat valley trail indicating where to locate the trail after crossing a big washout. I assume they were placed by official trail crews.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7694 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Cyclopath
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Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:14 pm
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The nothing more strange and unusual than seeing rocks out in nature.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 7694 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:08 am
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RumiDude Marmota olympus
Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 3579 | TRs | Pics Location: Port Angeles |
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RumiDude
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Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:04 pm
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"This is my Indian summer ... I'm far more dangerous now, because I don't care at all."
Brian Curtis, Bootpathguy
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