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fourteen410 Member
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gb wrote: | I wouldn't have anything against Permethrin on clothing except for the thought of what happens when you sweat heavily, especially on the back and shoulders. |
What happens?
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7709 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
I used a floorless tent in the winds and the mozzies still got in even though I clipped my ground cloth to the tent and tucked it in as best I could. No more floorless tent for me. My friendly Swede bug shelter worked great though, best 5 ounces of gear ever and about 20 bucks.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
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RatherBOutdoors Member
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It turns out that Permethrin is not an insect repellant, but an insecticide. When the bugs land on Permethrin treated fabric, it poisons their nervous system which gets them disoriented and, sometimes, kills them off. I don't know how quickly it works, however, so it seems they may be able to bite/sting before it takes effect.
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
They won’t land on the mint. I tried that at home. And it works. Lavender works too but not with bees!
I usually buy shampoo with peppermint if I want bugs away from my face. There are natural peppermint oils as well. In my garden I grow peppermint too and some other herbs.
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BigBrunyon Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 1458 | TRs | Pics Location: the fitness gyms!! |
Sometimes you see these guys carryin hides up there. Only makes it worse!! Bugs swarmin all around the hides!!
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gb Member
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 6310 | TRs | Pics
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:23 am
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Mountainpines wrote: | They won’t lend on the mint. I tried that at home. And it works. Lavender works too but not with bees!
I usually buy shampoo with peppermint if I want bugs away from my face. There are natural peppermint oils as well. In my garden I grow peppermint too and some other herbs. |
That is an interesting sounding idea. It beats liver carcinogens. Incidentally, black flies were pretty annoying around 4500-5000' yesterday on Pugh...
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Sky Hiker Member
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 1469 | TRs | Pics Location: outside |
Tough to enjoy a good trip when the mosquitos ruin it
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
Not for us. We are in the midwest and are used to mosquitos. We know how to keep them away.
The shampoo I am using is the teatree shampoo. I haven’t noticed but it has peppermint AND lavender in a mix. No wonder it works. It comes in a huge bottle for $20-$30.
I started using it in Alaska when we rented a private house. The host put it in a bathroom.
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Navy salad Member
Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 1865 | TRs | Pics Location: Woodinville |
fourteen410 wrote: | gb wrote: | I wouldn't have anything against Permethrin on clothing except for the thought of what happens when you sweat heavily, especially on the back and shoulders. |
What happens? |
Permethrin is "relatively insoluble" in water (see https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Permethrin), so your sweat shouldn't affect dried Permethrin on clothing. That's why Permethrin is typically sold mixed with petroleum distillates (which it does dissolve in), so as long as you don't sweat petroleum distillates, you should be ok!
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Navy salad Member
Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 1865 | TRs | Pics Location: Woodinville |
Bramble_Scramble wrote: | Black flies are just obnoxious but horseflies are mean and bug me more than anything else while hiking. I usually have a towel or something to whack them. |
Amen! And not only that, horse flies will follow you for 100 yards! The only thing that sorta worked for me was to run the opposite direction I'm heading--with horse flies eagerly in pursuit, then suddenly duck down and run the opposite direction, which will sometimes let you lose them!
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7709 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
I have had horse flies follow for miles. When I first stated hiking in the 80’s, the first summer they were horrible, once hiking to lake 22 they followed us all the way to the lake. After 3 straight trips of that and once they required trail passes, I stopped hiking for over 20 years. I rode trail on my motorcycle, no issues with bugs while riding.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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neek Member
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Chief Joseph wrote: | I have had horse flies follow for miles. |
Yup, they sure will. Just wait for them to land on you, then smack 'em (sorry kitya). They're smart though and try not to land in your field of vision. But after several failed attempts they'll decide it's not worth the risk.
I don't like applying chemicals, but tried deet once last week for black flies. Didn't work. Won't bother with that again. They seem to prefer arms so are easy to smack.
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fourteen410 Member
Joined: 23 May 2008 Posts: 2629 | TRs | Pics
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Navy salad wrote: | so as long as you don't sweat petroleum distillates, you should be ok! |
Thanks - I read gb's comment right after applying permethrin to my clothes
I try to minimize my use of DEET and picardin when I can. But sometimes the bugs are so bad, there aren't many options left.
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Bramble_Scramble Member
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I vividly remember my worst horsefly experience on the way to Vesper. I climbed non stop 6-800 ft from Lake Elan on the way to the summit before it finally left me alone. Good motivation to keep moving even when you're tired I guess?
I saw an article that mentioned horseflies tend to circle/attack the highest part of a moving object and to hike with someone who is taller than you so they become the target. I'm 6'3" and taller than my friends so if true, then I'm the target. I'm also taller than a lot of other hikers so I get quite a few spider webs to the face that shorter people missed.
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