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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 9:35 am 
FYI. Eight cameras are being installed around downtown and Beltown Seattle in a pilot program, they will issue tickets to drivers who use transit lanes or block intersections. Here is the announcement from SDOT: https://sdotblog.seattle.gov/2021/11/15/dont-block-the-box-traffic-cameras/ Here is an example of behavior that will be ticketed automatically every time:
Here are the location of the 8 cameras:
Again, this is a pilot program, which means more are likely in the future. ​​​​​​​As a cyclist and a pedestrian, as well as a driver, I think the one on Westlake is going to save lives. Drivers will hit you going right on red of you try to use the crosswalk when it's your turn there. I'm not posting this to stay an argument, I'm posting because the info is relevant to many in here.

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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 11:39 am 
Mercer might actually be driveable if people entering from side streets are no longer able to gridlock the intersections anymore! EDIT: Nevermind, your map doesn't show Mercer being included bawl.gif EDIT2: It once took me 53 minutes to get to I5 from Elliott via Mercer. That's 1.9 miles.

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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 2:51 pm 
Good. I cross that Westlake and Valley intersection twice a day on my bike and I've had many close calls with drivers turning left onto Valley from Westlake and right from Valley to Westlake.

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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 7:15 pm 
I don't drive in Seattle, but even commuting home from Redmond to Kirkland I occasionally find myself going through a green light behind other moving vehicles (actually traffic speed, btw, not slowing), only for them to stop (rather than slowing down then stopping) and end up stopping part way through the intersection. It's gotten to the point that I hesitate before crossing a cross street, just in case. Funny, not so funny story from years ago when I went to something down at the Center. I was on Mercer a few blocks or so west of Queen Anne, and I must have sat through 4 or 5 green lights before moving, because when I got the green light, the left/right turners onto Mercer had backed up to the cross walk and I would have been blocking the intersection for the entire green light cycle. I have never been so honked at by drivers behind me who wanted me to proceed and block the intersection.

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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 10:15 pm 
I'm all for safe streets and love automated traffic cameras (this sounds sarcastic but I am 100% serious, I'd prefer not to have thousands of people die on our streets every year), but does this belong in Trail Talk?

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PostWed Nov 17, 2021 11:16 pm 
kw wrote:
I'm all for safe streets and love automated traffic cameras (this sounds sarcastic but I am 100% serious, I'd prefer not to have thousands of people die on our streets every year), but does this belong in Trail Talk?
I do belive it does because many take to the urban locales in the winter to get big hikes in. Several known routes through downtown.

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 12:32 am 
Good to know, I will continue to avoid Seattle like the plague.

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 9:10 am 
kw wrote:
does this belong in Trail Talk?
I appreciate the concern for things being where they belong so it's easy for people to find. smile.gif My thinking in posting this here was: (1) a lot of people who either live or work near the area and run or ride bikes there, (2) some of these intersections actually have trails through them, and (3) this is info people should be aware of because it will affect many in here who regularly drive through downtown. It isn't a Stewardship thread, or a trip report; there's no perfect home for this.

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 9:12 am 
Chief Joseph wrote:
Good to know, I will continue to avoid Seattle like the plague.
Sorry, over the last two years we've learned that people don't avoid the plague, so this phrase needs to be retired.

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 9:17 am 
Cyclopath wrote:
Sorry, over the last two years we've learned that people don't avoid the plague, so this phrase needs to be retired.
Yes, indeed. lol.gif ~z

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 10:07 am 
Cyclopath wrote:
It isn't a Stewardship thread, or a trip report; there's no perfect home for this.
Seems to me the "Full Moon Saloon" is a good fit. It's funny that drivers need citation issuing robots to motivate them to not drive in a selfish, inconsiderate manner, but here we are. Redmond installed "Red Light" cameras several years ago to automatically issue citations for running red lights. A colleague, originally from the UK organized an petition against it and inundated the city council with opposition and Redmond ended the program. https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/38/3828.asp

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 11:07 am 
Let's start a new thread, a poll maybe, to discuss what forum this thread should be in. Automated tickets are easy to get out of in Washington, just sign the form that says you weren't driving. (In my case it was true; I don't advocate lying.)

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 11:24 am 
neek wrote:
Let's start a new thread, a poll maybe, to discuss what forum this thread should be in. Automated tickets are easy to get out of in Washington, just sign the form that says you weren't driving. (In my case it was true; I don't advocate lying.)
For the wealthy most any traffic ticket in Washington can be weaseled out of https://www.mucklestone.com/ https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20060601&slug=tickets02e

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 12:30 pm 
In Snohomish county, call Rick Merrill, he has been getting speeding tickets dismissed at a very high success rate for many years now. My son paid him $100 about 12 years ago to get his thrown out, last I checked his rate is $200 and you don't have to go to court.

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PostThu Nov 18, 2021 12:51 pm 
Opus wrote:
Good. I cross that Westlake and Valley intersection twice a day on my bike and I've had many close calls with drivers turning left onto Valley from Westlake and right from Valley to Westlake.
I used to live in Eastlake and use my bike to get groceries in Queen Anne. So many close calls at this one intersection. It's a shame this is necessary, but it is.

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