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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:01 am 
I only say it’s more likely because in my experience I have never seen an incendiary round used, but I have seen many tannerite targets used by friends and strangers alike

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:02 am 
^ Have never understood how or why that stuff is legal for sale to the public. How is it not an explosive device? dizzy.gif This will not stop until a few of these morons are incarcerated for LONG periods of time. (like 20 years or so.)

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:09 am 
Tannerite targets are already prohibited on all National Forests in WA and OR. https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd603112.pdf I think I recall seeing that they are also prohibited on State Lands in WA?

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:11 am 
^ It is not legal to ignite or discharge ANY firework or explosive device on ANY government property that I know of, including school yards. So ... WHERE is it legal to shoot that stuff? In your back yard? Do shooting ranges even allow the stuff? For the life of me, when I read stories about fires being started with the stuff, I have to wonder who's calling the shots at the top end. WTF?

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:15 am 
A fire that was uncomfortably close to my house in the Randle suburbs was rumored to have been started by an exploding target which was leaned against a landing slash pile on private timberland. It was behind locked gates too, and no culprit was ever produced. That fire was a good example of local people stepping up immediately, as it the all volunteer fire dept. which also had equipment owners/operators as members. They got right on it and had firelines being constructed before the DNR arrived. One friend stopped by my house and suggested I might want to get valuables gathered and my trailer hitched up in case the wind changed.

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:16 am 
I saw it used prior to their ban, so I don’t know where it’s used legally. I always thought it was a bad idea.

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PostWed Oct 19, 2022 11:48 am 
The fireworks ban on NFs is very longstanding. I think the ‘exploding target’ ban started maybe 10 years ago after a bunch of small fires traced to that ignition source.

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PostFri Oct 21, 2022 8:36 pm 
Good news, Cliff Mass says the risk of forest fires in Western Washington is predicted to go down with climate change, not up. He contends rainfall in late summer is flat, even a bit up (August through September) and we should experience less, strong East wind events (a necessary ingredient of Western Washington fires). https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2022/10/was-global-warming-behind-recent-smoky.html

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 6:47 am 
altasnob wrote:
Good news, Cliff Mass says the risk of forest fires in Western Washington is predicted to go down with climate change, not up. He contends rainfall in late summer is flat, even a bit up (August through September) and we should experience less, strong East wind events (a necessary ingredient of Western Washington fires).
Ha ha ha. And the moon is made out of blue cheese.

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 9:26 am 
He attempts to conclude that since there is no visible trend from this joke of a graph, "that alone is enough to deflate any claims of greenhouse warming revving up westside fires"
In addition to trying to conclude anything from that random set of 5 dots, he is missing: - 2021 Pincer Creek and Bear Creek fires - 2018 Maple fire in the Olympics - 2015 Goodell Fire - 2011 Big Hump fire in the Olympics - 2009 Heatwave Complex Fires in the Olympics - 2003 Mineral Park Fire - He's also either missing the Big Hollow/Downey Creek fires of 2020, or this year's fires (can't tell where that dot is)

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 9:45 am 
altasnob wrote:
Good news, Cliff Mass says the risk of forest fires in Western Washington is predicted to go down with climate change, not up
If that was true, climate scientists would be saying the same thing.

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 6:09 pm 
philfort wrote:
He attempts to conclude that since there is no visible trend from this joke of a graph, "that alone is enough to deflate any claims of greenhouse warming revving up westside fires" In addition to trying to conclude anything from that random set of 5 dots, he is missing: - 2021 Pincer Creek and Bear Creek fires - 2018 Maple fire in the Olympics - 2015 Goodell Fire - 2011 Big Hump fire in the Olympics - 2009 Heatwave Complex Fires in the Olympics - 2003 Mineral Park Fire - He's also either missing the Big Hollow/Downey Creek fires of 2020, or this year's fires (can't tell where that dot is)
I agree that he should be including all data points available. But are any of those fires you listed very large? If they are all small, like Goodell Creek, which burned 6,700 acres, they would just be a bunch of dots at the bottom of that graph. It doesn't appear there is any large increase in acreage burned in Western Washington.

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 6:13 pm 
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If that was true, climate scientists would be saying the same thing.
Are there any studies that are specific for Western Washington? Note, Cliff Mass is not saying that wild fires are not increasing. He's not saying wild fires in Oregon are not increasing. He's not saying wildfires in Washington, as a whole, are not increasing. He's saying it does not appear that wildfires in Western Washington are increasing, nor are they predicted to increase in the future. Everything I have read suggests Western Washington will get both warmer, and wetter, due to climate change. So it's not surprising forest fires in Western Washington are not predicted to increase.

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 6:30 pm 
Level 3 evacuation an hour ago in the Benson Cr. area (a little bit south of Twisp). Fire season ain't over yet.

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PostSat Oct 22, 2022 7:31 pm 
altasnob wrote:
I agree that he should be including all data points available. But are any of those fires you listed very large? If they are all small, like Goodell Creek, which burned 6,700 acres, they would just be a bunch of dots at the bottom of that graph. It doesn't appear there is any large increase in acreage burned in Western Washington.
They should still be easily visible on that graph (even if you want to claim because we had some big fires 100 years ago we will never be able to claim acreage burned is increasing today). He didn't do proper research, because he doesn't actually care about the truth once he's made up his mind. And no one can correct him or challenge him on that blog, because then he just won't approve their comment. (So far he's refuse to approve two of my comment, for example one correcting him when he claimed the Suiattle Fire was human-caused). He's sloppy, and his comments are heavily curated to make himself look good. He's a man that doesn't like to be wrong.

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