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PostSat Oct 14, 2023 12:11 pm 
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Sorry if this has already been shared, but I thought it was kinda cool info: How will rising temperatures impact a second chance for grizzlies in the North Cascades Ecosystem?
This is very surprising, and good to read. Thanks for posting!!

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PostSat Oct 14, 2023 12:22 pm 
Mossback’s Northwest: Where are Washington’s grizzly bears? They were once a vital part of the Northwest wilderness. Why have they disappeared?

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PostSun Oct 15, 2023 9:42 am 
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Mossback’s Northwest: Where are Washington’s grizzly bears? They were once a vital part of the Northwest wilderness. Why have they disappeared?
Interesting read. I didn't know there were so few grizzlies in the Selkirk area.

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PostSun Oct 15, 2023 2:43 pm 
Keep Calm and Carry On? Heck No. Stay Excited and Get Outside!

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PostTue Oct 17, 2023 9:32 pm 
I thought Jason Ransom who was the main on the NPS climate modeling article did a decent job of presenting at tonight's virtual webinar on the Reintroduction Plan held by the NPS/USFWS. He knows his stuff. I just don't know if that knowledge will be effective when it comes to managing all the variables that force moving bears into a new area (the NCE) will involve. Not the least of which will be litigation by all sides. They also said tonight that regardless of what we do in the US, First Nations are soon going to move them into the Canadian portion of the NCE just to the north, and they will likely find their way south across the border. If that happens, they will have ESA protections as a threatened species rather than managed under the 10j rule.

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PostTue Oct 17, 2023 9:48 pm 
Its all the California Big Names. All the Big Names coming up from California with the big Bose Headphones. Too scared of the woods!!

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PostWed Oct 18, 2023 6:26 am 
Jeff Chapman wrote:
First Nations are soon going to move them into the Canadian portion of the NCE just to the north, and they will likely find their way south across the border.
Interesting. So all this debate about the US introducing grizzlies appears to be moot as they will get to the North Cascades one way or another.

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PostWed Oct 18, 2023 6:35 am 
Interesting, did anyone see the Ken Burns film on PBS “The American Buffalo” it turns out the First Nations people’s had a large part in the recovery of a once endangered animal in both the US and Canada.

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PostWed Oct 18, 2023 11:07 am 
Jeff Chapman wrote:
regardless of what we do in the US, First Nations are soon going to move them into the Canadian portion of the NCE just to the north, and they will likely find their way south across the border. If that happens, they will have ESA protections as a threatened species rather than managed under the 10j rule.
This is excellent news, thanks for posting!

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PostThu Oct 19, 2023 4:19 am 
Thats rotten news, time to start writing opposition emails again

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PostThu Oct 19, 2023 6:58 am 
Jeff Chapman wrote:
They also said tonight that regardless of what we do in the US, First Nations are soon going to move them into the Canadian portion of the NCE just to the north, and they will likely find their way south across the border. If that happens, they will have ESA protections as a threatened species rather than managed under the 10j rule.
That's basically Alternative A in the EIS - "no action". That's fine with me. If they can find habitable areas on their own from north of the border that's great.

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PostThu Oct 19, 2023 1:45 pm 
Jeff Chapman wrote:
I just don't know if that knowledge will be effective when it comes to managing all the variables that force moving bears into a new area (the NCE) will involve. ... First Nations are soon going to move them into the Canadian portion of the NCE just to the north, and they will likely find their way south across the border. If that happens, they will have ESA protections as a threatened species rather than managed under the 10j rule
Schroder wrote:
That's basically Alternative A in the EIS - "no action". That's fine with me. If they can find habitable areas on their own from north of the border that's great.
I was struck by a statistic in the article below re the fact that the Greater Yellowstone Coalition felt it necessary to to raise more than twice as much money as it had ever raised in a two-year period in order to acquire just under 1600 additional acres to protect the griz currently subsisting on over 2.2 million acres. The reason they did it is irrelevant, IMO. Compare that to NCNP (505K acres) contingent with Ross Lake NRA (117K acres) and Lake Chelan NRA (62K acres). Subtract out the high elevation areas of the NC that are not habitable for bears. Saving Yellowstone for the Grizzlies The NC proposal seems based on a lot of best-case scenario conditions that are unknown. Considering the out-migration observed in Montana, if conditions warrant, the bears will migrate on their own from Canada, especially if the First Nations in BC are going to start moving a few around. Building some bear underpasses around Hwy 3 might help a lot.

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PostThu Oct 19, 2023 2:14 pm 
Those Canadians. They keep acting like it’s a different country.

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PostSun Oct 29, 2023 7:33 pm 
timberghost wrote:
Thats rotten news, time to start writing opposition emails again
How will you the bears to read the letters?

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PostSun Nov 05, 2023 7:36 am 
‘Hell no to grizzlies’: Darrington locals give federal agencies an earful At a public meeting, a chorus of residents aired fears over what reintroducing the bears could mean for safety and salmon.

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