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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 4:32 pm 
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It's no wonder most of the public prefers not to use cash anymore.
I think, for a lot of people, itís a quicker way to pay using a credit/debit card. I have noticed itís even quicker doing contactless payment. Whenever I use Apple Pay it takes approximately 10 seconds from start to finish. Also itís probably easier to spend more than what you have in your checking account using a debit card if you arenít aware of how much you have. I remember being at the bank one time and watching a teller making an attempt to get a person understand that their checking account was overdrawn by several hundred dollars. The lady kept saying that it wasnít possible and the teller kept verifying that the lady made debit card purchases over the last few days that made her accounts in the red. The lady confirmed she had made the transactions, but still didnít understand why that made her account in the red and that the money she was depositing needed to be used to bring the account back to black.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 4:49 pm 
Hesman wrote:
I think, for a lot of people, itís a quicker way to pay using a credit/debit card. I have noticed itís even quicker doing contactless payment.
Considering how long it can take to get through the entry gates and into the park, this sounds like a very good thing. smile.gif

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 4:56 pm 
All the people chiming in about their pass getting them in the gate and this is just fine with them apparently haven't used the campgrounds. Unless you've reserved and paid online you have to pay some other way, unless you can get a phone signal to be able to pay online on the spot. I'm not going to write all my credit card info with my CVV code and all my other personal information and drop it into an unattended box. I carry a few checks for that purpose. State Parks & developed campgrounds with showers use tokens for those but you have to get those tokens from a machine on the side of the building that takes dollar bills. I always end up with extra tokens.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 6:45 pm 
Schroder wrote:
unless you can get a phone signal to be able to pay online on the spot.
Coming soon to Cougar Rock, Ohanapecosh, and White River, WiFi , just so you can pay using VenMo.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 7:32 pm 
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I'm not going to write all my credit card info with my CVV code and all my other personal information and drop it into an unattended box.
Seriously, please don't. Everybody. A few checks for the purpose is a good idea. Satellite internet will probably make this a non issue in a few years.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 8:31 pm 
OK. Sure, cash is sometimes involved with crime, drugs, massages, etc. It's also used to buy newspapers, lunch, rubber erasers, groceries, soda, freeze-dried meals, cans of isopropane fuel, earplugs, and on and on. No, really, it's true - some people not living in history museums DO use these cash for everyday transactions, with zero chance of identity theft! I don't really appreciate the NPS or anyone else pushing their security issues onto the rest of us. Others have already pointed out the absence of wisdom for dropping credit card into into a box at campgrounds; it's a valid concern, and I don't really like the idea of writing checks much either unless there's a way to do it without the account number on one. I also think discouraging access for the unbanked and others without plastic is a subtle form of discrimination. "Sorry, you'll have to turn around and drive to (wherever) to buy a card" isn't very welcoming. UNFORTUNATELY THOUGH... A couple of people have mentioned the hypocrisy of a US Government agency not accepting cash issued by, effectively, the US Government. Note though the mention of "....all debts, public and private" on currency. If you're outside the pay station, you owe no debt to the NPS and they're not obligated to let you in unless you pay on their terms. The same logic applies to Dick's or wherever else - if they haven't given you food, there's no debt and cash can be declined.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 9:37 pm 
Up until maybe half a dozen years ago I used cash for nearly everything, I only started using CCArds to get the points to earn cash back. But I get 2-3% so the establishments charging 4% on card purchases are smart imo. Although if I am drinking in the bar I think I save money paying cash instead of a card, since I usually pay as I go, so no big surprise at the end of the night.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 9:53 pm 
yorknl wrote:
A couple of people have mentioned the hypocrisy of a US Government agency not accepting cash issued by, effectively, the US Government. Note though the mention of "....all debts, public and private" on currency. If you're outside the pay station, you owe no debt to the NPS and they're not obligated to let you in unless you pay on their terms. The same logic applies to Dick's or wherever else - if they haven't given you food, there's no debt and cash can be declined.
That's a fine but interesting line drawn there. Basically you are saying that no debt is incurred until a transaction has been agreed to, and a vendor, in this case the NPS, can refuse to enter into a transaction except on payment means and terms of its choosing.

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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 10:09 pm 
Anne Elk wrote:
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[i]A trucker who flew into Phoenixís Sky Harbor Airport with $39,500 in cash with the intention of buying a semi-truck Ė only to have police confiscate the money
Now that's kind of an extreme example ... and really stupid on his part. There has to be a backstory - like the cash was from a drug deal, or some such.
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PostFri Mar 17, 2023 10:31 pm 
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In the US, cash deposits or transactions of $10,000 or more are subject to inspection and auditing by the DEA and other federal officials. So of course criminals make $9999 deposits.
If so, I doubt it would meet with much success. See, e.g., ďStructuringĒ.

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PostSat Mar 18, 2023 5:57 am 
Only criminals are ďunbankedĒ against their will. People need to stop sympathizing with criminals, drug addicts and morons. Also, it is a stupid lie to say this is the security problem of the institution that wonít accept the cash. Sorry, it is the criminal scum who you love that cause the issue, not the victims.

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PostSat Mar 18, 2023 6:46 am 
Thank you Slugman for calling me a moron and a lover of crime. What else do you know about me that I don't?

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PostSat Mar 18, 2023 7:24 am 
yorknl wrote:
Thank you Slugman for calling me a moron and a lover of crime. What else do you know about me that I don't?
The misanthropic mollusc strikes again! It's a rite of passage around here, consider it a badge of honor. What you said was perfectly valid. What's stupid is relying on a vast and complex electronic network to get into a national park. What happens when it goes down? And the article does say that a small number of visitors will be excluded.

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PostSat Mar 18, 2023 9:55 am 
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What's stupid is relying on a vast and complex electronic network to get into a national park. What happens when it goes down?
If the money system collapses, not being able to take selfies in wildflower meadows will be the least of anybody's concern. We actually know exactly what it looks like when that goes down, because it's happened in recent history. People can't buy food without money, and stop caring about national park attendance. https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/54/

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