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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 am 
I would love to hear a biologist explain why Grizzlies, if WA's Cascades are theoretically good habitat, have not similarly expanded south and west into this range in the 50 yrs they have been a protected species. Wolves are obviously doing it without ever having reintroduction efforts in the cascades.

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 11:36 am 
Worthington wrote:
I would love to hear a biologist explain why Grizzlies, if WA's Cascades are theoretically good habitat, have not similarly expanded south and west into this range in the 50 yrs they have been a protected species. Wolves are obviously doing it without ever having reintroduction efforts in the cascades.
To what end? Are you even open to learning from a knowledgeable biologist? Or do you believe you have superior knowledge and experience to someone with a PHD in wildlife studies and years of professional field experience?

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 6:19 pm 
I'm open to learning from anyone, even a forum member without a PhD, as long as they point me closer towards understanding the truth.

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 6:28 pm 
Randito wrote:
Worthington wrote:
I would love to hear a biologist explain why Grizzlies, if WA's Cascades are theoretically good habitat, have not similarly expanded south and west into this range in the 50 yrs they have been a protected species. Wolves are obviously doing it without ever having reintroduction efforts in the cascades.
To what end? Are you even open to learning from a knowledgeable biologist? Or do you believe you have superior knowledge and experience to someone with a PHD in wildlife studies and years of professional field experience?
Why such a hostile response? I think it's a reasonable question. Why are wolves expanding so successfully and Grizzlies not? Habitat is supposed to be ideal for both species. I'd love to know the answer to this also

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pm 
I'm not surprised that the Grizz population in the north Cascades of Washington isn't rebounding, after all the grizz population of the north Cascades in British Columbia is only six bears and those are considered critically endangered. https://www.coasttocascades.org/populations

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 7:24 pm 
Meanwhile also in BC , wolf culling operations are still a thing https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-wolf-cull-extended-1.6330780

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PostMon Apr 10, 2023 8:17 pm 
They do that here in Idaho as well, they are paying a 2k bounty for wolves and allow trapping on private land.

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PostTue Apr 11, 2023 6:43 am 
Grizzlies have thrived around Yellowstone, which shows, like wolves, once they populate an area with appropriate habitat their population will increase. But at Randy points out, they haven't populated Washington Cascades because there are so few bears just north of the border. From the National Park Service: "The estimated Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear population increased from 136 in 1975 to a peak of 1,063 (estimated) in 2021"

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PostTue Apr 11, 2023 7:18 am 
both wolves and cougars are hunted here in montana and occasionally bison.

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PostTue Apr 11, 2023 8:24 am 
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"The estimated Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem grizzly bear population increased from 136 in 1975 to a peak of 1,063 (estimated) in 2021"
I was reading about this the other day & I'm going off memory 1800-2000 in Montana 600 in Wyoming 35-40 in Idaho In Montana, why just shy of a 100% increase in a year+?

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PostTue Apr 11, 2023 8:35 am 
cdestroyer wrote:
both wolves and cougars are hunted here in montana and occasionally bison.
Speaking of "Occasionaly Bison" https://kyssfm.com/montanas-bison-hunt-requires-colossal-carnage-cleanup/

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PostWed Apr 12, 2023 3:43 pm 
a bit much I would say, just how many bison do the indigenous people need?

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PostMon Apr 17, 2023 7:44 am 
cdestroyer wrote:
a bit much I would say, just how many bison do the indigenous people need?
Just how many cows do white people need? A bit too much I would say.

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