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Logbear
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 Mon May 22, 2023 10:30 am |
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| Ski wrote: | | The Safeway at 1112 South M Street is still open and they have a pharmacy |
Sir, this is a hiking forum
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treeswarper
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Mon May 22, 2023 2:50 pm |
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Some of us hike to stores. I hiked to Harbor Fright the other day. But it was nowhere near Hurricane Ridge. But it did have a lot of cheap Chinese stuff for sale. 
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Anne Elk
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Mon May 22, 2023 5:31 pm |
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| treeswarper wrote: | | Perhaps a gondola should be built. |
I was going to mention that a few pages back when I said restricting car access should be considered given how out of control things get up there in summer. But I figured I'd get even more pilloried for that idea... some trees would have to be cut down to make a gondola route work.
When I first arrived in Banff in 1975, Sunshine Village was accessed only by buses. In the non-snow months, I think you had to have a special permit and key to get past the locked gate; I went there with a Banff Centre class that got an access permit. Another time, a friend knew someone on the Sunshine Village staff. I forget what year it happened, but they finally put in a gondola which also operates in hiking season. Not sure I want to ever see what such easy summer access has done to those fragile alpine meadows, but my impression over the years is that Parks Canada had put a lot of bucks into warden hires to enforce things like camping only in designated areas, and so forth.
On the merits of rebuilding the lodge itself, it might be another good place to add an interpretive outpost that includes a small auditorium for presentations. I'm willing to compromise with the naysayers: I'm ok with eliminating the tchotchke vending. 
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Logbear
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Mon May 22, 2023 10:52 pm |
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At first I thought the lodge would get rebuilt, what with all the politics, etc. But now that I've done some reading and studying, I'm not so sure. An EIA was written back in 2012 that lists some fish downstream that might be affected by construction activity in the Hurricane Ridge area.
Chinook
Coho
Chum
Pink
Sockeye
Bull trout
Steelhead
Some here might remember that the decision to move the Enchanted Valley Chalet away from the Quinault river, was partly made because of the fear that the chalet falling in the river could harm Bull Trout.
The idea that a large construction project that could damage Bull Trout habitat would be allowed is doubtful in my opinion.
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Logbear
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Mon May 22, 2023 11:35 pm |
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“There is no such thing as bad weather, only inappropriate clothing.” – Sir Ranulph Fiennes
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Logbear
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Mon May 22, 2023 11:57 pm |
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This is a "sources sought notice"
https://sam.gov/opp/f399d77aadce49de9905c78a189f6573/view
Project Description: Work shall consist of furnishing all labor, materials, tools, supplies, equipment, transportation, and supervision necessary for: removal of all structures, above ground improvements, in-water improvements, and miscellaneous debris, and scarify the landscape, at four areas in Olympic National Park for the purpose of restoring the landscape to natural conditions.******
Magnitude of Construction estimate: Between $500,000 and $1,000,000.******
I don't know where the 4 areas are.
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RumiDude
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Tue May 23, 2023 7:52 am |
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| Logbear wrote: | | I don't know where the 4 areas are. |
Dosewallips campground would be one place. That's going to be a big project.
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Kim Brown
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I bet the Enchanted Valley Chalet..... (don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player. Or the bookkeeper's son... )
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Tue May 23, 2023 12:01 pm |
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| Rumi Dude wrote: | | Dosewallips campground would be one place. That's going to be a big project. |
Removal of the infrastructure at the Dosewallips Campground will require vehicle access to the site, which means they will have to reconstruct the road to allow access.
Cost of such a project will well exceed that $1,000,000.00 figure. (Just for Dosewallips.)
The Queets Ranger Station is scheduled for demolition and removal. I would imagine that would be one of the project sites.
It's possible there are other front-country ranger stations that might be slated for demolition and removal since they're not used much any more. The recently upgraded North Fork Quinault ranger station would be a likely candidate. (Was upgraded and repainted when I did the road inventory in ... 2001?) (My best wild guess.)
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I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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RumiDude
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Tue May 23, 2023 1:23 pm |
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| Ski wrote: | | Rumi Dude wrote: | | Dosewallips campground would be one place. That's going to be a big project. |
Removal of the infrastructure at the Dosewallips Campground will require vehicle access to the site, which means they will have to reconstruct the road to allow access.
Cost of such a project will well exceed that $1,000,000.00 figure. (Just for Dosewallips.)
The Queets Ranger Station is scheduled for demolition and removal. I would imagine that would be one of the project sites.
It's possible there are other front-country ranger stations that might be slated for demolition and removal since they're not used much any more. The recently upgraded North Fork Quinault ranger station would be a likely candidate. (Was upgraded and repainted when I did the road inventory in ... 2001?) (My best wild guess.) |
If they don't rebuilt access to the Elwha, all that crap up those old roads. And that is nothing compared to the ranger station and facilities at the site. Letting that road go was absolutely criminal. Altair and Elwha campgrounds are up there as well.
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Dick B
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Tue May 23, 2023 3:07 pm |
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| Ski wrote: | | Removal of the infrastructure at the Dosewallips Campground will require vehicle access to the site, which means they will have to reconstruct the road to allow access.
Cost of such a project will well exceed that $1,000,000.00 figure. (Just for Dosewallips.) |
To restore this site could mean burning the ranger station, picnic tables and any other outbuildings. The non combustible material could be bagged winched up and hauled out by helicopter. That is assuming a copter can maneuver safely in that area. I saw it done once when I was at Yosemite.
Anything they do to rehab these sites is going to be expensive One would have to wonder - is it worth it?
Eventually the Dosewallips Campground will rot and disappear, and in the meantime, is it really doing any harm as it is?
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Anne Elk
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Tue May 23, 2023 3:19 pm |
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^^^^ I was thinking along the lines that DickB is, Ski: either winching out loads of the deconstructed wood stuff via helicopter, or just letting it rot. Not much up there, really. What's the harm in leaving it? If they were going to restore the road to get things out, they might as well restore the whole thing, which I'd prefer.
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Tue May 23, 2023 3:24 pm |
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| Dick B wrote: | | Ski wrote: | | Removal of the infrastructure at the Dosewallips Campground will require vehicle access to the site, which means they will have to reconstruct the road to allow access.
Cost of such a project will well exceed that $1,000,000.00 figure. (Just for Dosewallips.) |
To restore this site could mean burning the ranger station, picnic tables and any other outbuildings. The non combustible material could be bagged winched up and hauled out by helicopter. That is assuming a copter can maneuver safely in that area. I saw it done once when I was at Yosemite.
Anything they do to rehab these sites is going to be expensive One would have to wonder - is it worth it?
Eventually the Dosewallips Campground will rot and disappear, and in the meantime, is it really doing any harm as it is? |
Leave Dosewalips, and Elwha, and others to rot and be consumed by the forest, as a warning against hubris and a reminder of man's puniness before the forces of nature. "This, too, shall pass". Besides, overgrown rainforest ruins are beautiful -- more than the active structures, imo.
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Logbear
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Tue May 23, 2023 7:36 pm |
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| Anne Elk wrote: | | altasnob wrote: | | There's no lodge up at Artist Point and I put that area right up there with Hurricane Ridge, Sunrise, and Paradise, as most visited parking lots in the state. You don't need junk food and plastic trinkets for sale in order to attract people to these areas. The view on a sunny day is enough. ...You don't need a lodge to maintain access |
There's one at Heather Meadows, open right now and it too has a cafe and who knows what else. |
I drove up to Heather Meadows today.
I took a cup of coffee from home and planned on getting a hamburger at the cafe in the lodge at Heather Meadows.
Nope, no cafe. The day lodge was closed. The only thing open was the USFS restrooms at Heather Meadows. We never even saw the Heather Meadows visitor center. It's above the gate I guess.
The highlight of the day was the public restrooms in the town of Glacier. Easy to see signs pointing the way on the highway as you approach town. They were clean, had soap and running water, and were well supplied with toilet paper.
Nooksack Falls was nice to see, but it was a cloudy day, so no views of mountains.
My way of supporting the local economy was a stop at Mc Donalds in Bellingham. Come to think of it I should have bought something at the store in Glacier just because the public restrooms in town were so nice. Maybe next time.
If they would just clear the debris from Hurricane ridge and have some clean restrooms, that would be my choice for a drive on a cloudy day.
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| RumiDude wrote: | | Dosewallips campground would be one place. |
It would be a shame if they take that out. It's serving a useful purpose now, sort of a gray area between frontcountry and backcountry. I've biked in there on the closed Dose Rd and camped, and quite enjoyed the ability to do so. It just needs a functional privy.
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