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HitTheTrail Member
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5459 | TRs | Pics Location: 509 |
Someone I know very well had his window smashed and the vehicle burgled at the Chatter Cr. TH up the Icicle this weekend. It was mid-day with other vehicles in the parking lot.
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RichP Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 5634 | TRs | Pics Location: here |
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Mon May 29, 2023 6:48 am
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I saw on peakbagger that someone had their car broken into while climbing Big Chiwaukum at the White Pine Trailhead this weekend.
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snowmonkey Member
Joined: 23 May 2014 Posts: 88 | TRs | Pics
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As a resident near the areas mentioned, the increase of people and crime (not just at TH’s) has noticeably increased. Just like other jurisdictions, Chelan Co Sheriff is overwhelmed trying to keep up.
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William Clark
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Brucester Member
Joined: 02 Jun 2013 Posts: 1102 | TRs | Pics Location: Greenwood |
It seems most have no idea this even occurs.
It's like people are oblivious.
"Oh you say don't leave that on my front seat, why?"
"Oh, I had no idea. Good point."
Duh.
True story.
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neek Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 2338 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:22 am
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^ Fair - but mine's been broken into with absolutely nothing in the car. Never lock the doors anymore.
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
Do you recommend unlocked doors while on trails?
We are going to have a rental.
The only place when we might have belongings with us is on our first day since we are on the way to our accommodations in Quinault, but we want to stop in Staircase on the way. Is Staircase heavily crowded in the parking lots?
It makes it harder to plan for people out of state since they want to see things on the way before checking in for the night.
Washington is the ONLY state we have to worry about such things.
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snowmonkey Member
Joined: 23 May 2014 Posts: 88 | TRs | Pics
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Then don’t come here- easy solution!
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
We are coming to the national park this year. Hopefully in the Staircase they collect the entrance fee.
Usually where the entrance fee is collected things like that don’t happen as frequently.
Maybe if they will start charging some, they will have people stationed in more places. And that might divert others to go elsewhere…
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Sculpin Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2015 Posts: 1383 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:31 am
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Trailhead crime is no worse in Washington than anywhere else.
I will point out again that while leaving your car unlocked might be a fine idea, if you file an insurance claim you will be asked whether your car was locked, and I imagine there would be no coverage if you admitted that it was not. So you would have to lie, which is insurance fraud. Just sayin'.
Between every two pines is a doorway to the new world. - John Muir
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
It’s the worst. And we have been all over the states.
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altasnob Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1408 | TRs | Pics Location: Tacoma |
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Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:34 am
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While I won't guarantee you won't get your car broken into at Staircase, I think that is one of the least likely places for that to happen. It's a large parking lot, and people are coming and going at all hours. There is a patrolled ranger station a few feet away from the parking lot. And there is an extremely busy campground just across the street. If a criminal wanted to break into cars, they would pass a lot of parked cars along Lake Cushman they could break into (and save gas) without having to drive all the way to Staircase. Also working in your favor is that the State's clearing house prison is just down the road, as is the state patrol training academy. You've got to be really, really, high to break into a car at Staircase.
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altasnob Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 1408 | TRs | Pics Location: Tacoma |
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Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:39 am
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Sculpin wrote: | if you file an insurance claim you will be asked whether your car was locked, and I imagine there would be no coverage if you admitted that it was not |
I don't think this is the case. Insurance covers even when you are negligent (like leaving your stove on and it burns down your house). Washington is one of the most pro consumer states when it comes to insurance claims, and if an insurance company wrongfully denies a claim here and you sue and win you get triple damages and attorney fees. Because of this, insurance companies would error on just paying the claim rather than fight you.
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Mountainpines Member
Joined: 18 May 2021 Posts: 303 | TRs | Pics Location: Illinois |
Thank you, altasnob.
That’s the only day we will have things stored in a car while parked.
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Sculpin Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2015 Posts: 1383 | TRs | Pics
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Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:33 pm
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Mountainpines wrote: | It’s the worst. And we have been all over the states. |
There does not seem to be a summation of data that allows a state-by-state comparison that I can find. But if I look I can find things like this for numerous western states:
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crime-courts/2019/05/03/some-crime-weary-hikers-are-pursuing-their-own-solutions-to-trailhead-break-ins/
If you have some data on relative rates of crime at trailheads in different states I'm sure lots of folks here would be interested. Meanwhile, I have done 80+% of my hiking in Washington but the only time my car was broken into was in the California redwoods, so your anecdotal evidence is not going to move the needle for me.
Between every two pines is a doorway to the new world. - John Muir
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Slugman It’s a Slugfest!
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Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:09 pm
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I call BS on WA being the worst. The fact that this joker is coming here is proof he doesn’t believe it either.
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