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PostTue Sep 26, 2023 5:10 pm 
I think I remember reading about someone seeing a helicopter land at South Lake as well. Google Earth has some photos of the helicopters at the lake. I can't figure out how to link the other photos but you can see them if you're using the app and have the photos option turned on. https://maps.app.goo.gl/SRwKniug1sT8EUan9

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PostTue Sep 26, 2023 8:27 pm 
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PostTue Sep 26, 2023 8:36 pm 
It would be sad if I finally hoofed it to Helena lake and someone swooped down on my (well earned) solitude with a helio-copter.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 2:50 am 
Well that would explain the blue things BPJ spotted in an old pic from a trip in 2013
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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 8:27 am 
Logbear wrote:
Tom wrote:
Personally I don't have a problem with it. I would consider it once I can no longer get there on my own, or go with a loved one that might not be able to otherwise.
I agree completely.
It would be wonderful if we could make nature more accessible. Rainy Lake is great, you can push a wheel chair to the lake and share something beautiful with what's left of previous generations. If helicopters and ebikes are helping people enjoy time in the mountains when they otherwise couldn't, there's room for that.

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 9:15 am 
Is the Cooper lake LZ private property?

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 9:39 am 
No, from my review, it appears they are landing on WA DNR land, although the alluvial fan inlet they are landing on is feet away from US Forest Service property. The photos of helicopter above are on DNR land, although the large, sprawling campsite in the photo above is on USFS land. They must have a permit from WA DNR to do this. I assume a USFS permit as well since they are camping on USFS land. Maybe this will all change after the upcoming WA public lands commissioner election where several more conservationist minded people are running for the job.

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 9:43 am 
Thanks. I know that getting a USFS use permit is not easy now a days

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 9:55 am 
altasnob wrote:
No, from my review, it appears they are landing on WA DNR land, although the alluvial fan inlet they are landing on is feet away from US Forest Service property. The photos of helicopter above are on DNR land, although the large, sprawling campsite in the photo above is on USFS land. =
SCOPI is showing it as State Parks land, versus other land nearby which is WDNR As far as those that wonder about the watershed, Soady Lake and its shoreline is owned by SnoPUD. They also seem to own to the Pass and all the parking lots. Their ability to stop camping may end with their property and their roads

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 9:59 am 
Snowshovel wrote:
SCOPI is showing it as State Parks land, versus other land nearby which is WDNR
It's Morning Star Natural Resources Conservation Area, which is managed by DNR. So it has more protection that say, school trust DNR land where they log. But it's still controlled by DNR. https://www.dnr.wa.gov/MorningStar

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 10:15 am 
Regardless of that, SCOPI is in fact showing it as State Parks land, as distinct from other industrial forest lands which are shown as WDNR

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 10:19 am 
Their landing & camp spot is Forest Service land. The slopes of Big Four to the east is Morning Star Natural Resources Conservation Area. It has nothing to do with State Parks.

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 10:24 am 
Except that they arenít landing on USFS land and the land is owned by Parks. Other than that, you are correct

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 10:30 am 
Snowshovel wrote:
Except that they arenít landing on USFS land and the land is owned by Parks.
You need to look again at the photos above. They're landing on the SW corner of the lake - Forest Service land. SCOPI may show ownership of the other parcel as Washington State Parks but it's administered by the Department of Natural Resources as part of the Morning Star NRCA.

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PostWed Sep 27, 2023 10:45 am 
Schroder wrote:
Snowshovel wrote:
Except that they arenít landing on USFS land and the land is owned by Parks.
You need to look again at the photos above. They're landing on the SW corner of the lake - Forest Service land.
Incorrect. They are landing on the alluvial fan which takes up the majority of the very northern part of the lake. The photos show the fault controlled and deeply incised SE outfall some distance away from the LZ. If you were correct, the LZ would be adjacent to the outfall

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