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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
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UGH Member
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:35 pm
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Sobering news indeed. These really are the final days for a large portion of earth's species, and I wouldn't rule out humans being in that number. Couple more articles (sorry I don't have a shortcut link, so will post brief excerpts):
Global warming called growing threat to species
By The Washington Post and The Baltimore Sun
Thursday, January 08, 2004
In researchers ranging from northern Britain to the wet tropics of northeastern Australia and the Mexican desert said yesterday that global warming at currently predicted rates will drive 15 to 37 percent of living species toward extinction by mid-century.
Dismayed by their results, the researchers called for "rapid implementation of technologies" to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and warned that the scale of extinctions could climb much higher because of mutually reinforcing interactions between climate change and habitat destruction caused by agriculture, invasive species and other factors.
"We're not talking about the occasional extinction — we're talking about 1.25 million species. It's a massive number," said ecologist Chris Thomas, of Britain's University of Leeds.
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"Researchers of biodiversity agree that we are in the midst of the seventh mass extinction. Even if the current rate of habitat destruction were to continue in forest and coral reefs alone, half the species of plants and animals would be gone by the end of the 21st century. Our descendents would inherit a biologically impoverished and homogenized world."
"Not only would there be many fewer life forms, but also faunas and floras would look much the same over large parts of the world, with disaster species such as fire ants and rats widely spread. Humanity would then have to wait millions of years for natural evolution to replace what was lost in a single century."
--Time Magazine, May 2000 special edition
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
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UGH Member
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:46 pm
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More cheery nooz:
WWF: Global Warming May Kill Polar Bears
By The Associated Press
Published: January 31, 2005
Filed at 7:39 a.m. ET
GENEVA (AP) -- Some arctic animals including polar bears and species of seal face the possibility of extinction in just decades because of global warming, the World Wide Fund for Nature said Sunday.
Life for indigenous people in the Arctic also would change radically unless the world ``takes drastic action to reduce climate change,'' the Fund said.
``If we don't act immediately the Arctic will soon become unrecognizable'' said Tonje Folkestad, a WWF climate change expert. ``Polar bears will be consigned to history, something that our grandchildren can only read about in books.''
General info on artic change:
www.panda.org/arctic
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
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whistlingmarmot Sustainable Resource
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 1655 | TRs | Pics Location: Tacoma, WA |
We've heard it all before: We are all doomed.
So the real question that no one seems to answer is: What level of use is sustainable, and who decides that level? Who decides who can have children and who cannot? Who decides how much one can consume?
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UGH Member
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:33 pm
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whistlingmarmot wrote: | Who decides how much one can consume? |
Nature will decide, soon enough. Bite THIS:
Climate change warning over food production
18:17 26 April 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Fred Pearce
"Climate change is set to do far worse damage to global food production than even the gloomiest of previous forecasts, according to studies presented at the Royal Society in London, UK, on Tuesday. ..."
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7310
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whistlingmarmot Sustainable Resource
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 1655 | TRs | Pics Location: Tacoma, WA |
Either we limit it or mother nature does. If mother nature will be doing all the decision making around here, why bother posting articles about how we are doomed? After all we're not going to do anything about it, are we?
Again no clear answers, just more chicken little articles.
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UGH Member
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:35 pm
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whistlingmarmot wrote: | If mother nature will be doing all the decision making around here, why bother posting articles about how we are doomed? |
It gives those with ears to hear time. Time to hink while we can, time to enjoy what's left of the beauty of the earth while it lasts, time to see a polar bear. Time to git a cabin in Montana stocked with food and firearms before the human masses start racing across the melting tundra and whithering plains.
History runs in cylces. "In those days the people multiplied greatly, the world roared like a wild bull, and the gods were upset by the clamor." And the Lord spaketh thus: "Wall, o wall, hear me well, o wall ..."
--The Epic of Gilgamesh
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touron Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:22 am
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The Earth has a noticeable bulge near its equator. It needs to go on the South Beach diet.
We need names...
Quote: | The recognition, which has caused a stir among liberals, sheds light on the strange -- and sometimes funny -- science of naming new flora and fauna in a world choked with diversity. Among insects alone, only about 10 percent of species have been named, leaving about 9 million up for grabs. |
Touron is a nougat of Arabic origin made with almonds and honey or sugar, without which it would just not be Christmas in Spain.
Touron is a nougat of Arabic origin made with almonds and honey or sugar, without which it would just not be Christmas in Spain.
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
The answer is there is no answer. Every Dominant species that ever existed has become extinct for some reason or another, except one and if you think humans are the real dominant organism on earth you would be wrong. Bacteria rule the known world, bacteria evolved from viruses, and all life on this planet originated from bacteria and with evolution and divergence we have what we have today. Everything that is, is for a reason. It serves a role in the world. Everything is ultimately held in balance. Human nature is taking it's course, you can't change it, but you can see that the volume of a brain hasn't put the human organism above the simpler things. The world will not end, humans will , and if the world and all it's history were gone, that is the nature of things. Cosmologically irrelevant. No one is to blame, nothing can alter the current course. What's remarkable is the ride, enjoy the ride while you can. Everyday.
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Living in the Anthropocene
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MtnGoat Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:57 pm
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The club of rome tried the malthusian approach in the 70's, and were dead wrong in the predictions they made. These studies never seem to deal with human ingenuity or adaptation to other resources.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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laughing_dog Lather Rinse Repeat
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 48 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
MtnGoat wrote: | These studies never seem to deal with human ingenuity or adaptation to other resources. |
Nor the human predilection to ignore the problem to begin with.
That said, I'm wondering what stroke of human ingenuity will save the third of species being driven unnecessarily to extinction by the global effects of unchecked capitalism.
The ingenious human solution to the extinction of a third of the world's species.
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MtnGoat Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:04 pm
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Unchecked capitalism? When did that occur? I must have missed it. Seems pretty well checked today.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Damian Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:19 pm
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Unchecked capitalism
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touron Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:44 pm
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Touron is a nougat of Arabic origin made with almonds and honey or sugar, without which it would just not be Christmas in Spain.
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MtnGoat Member
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:55 pm
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Both those look checked to me. Isn't making something illegal, checking it?
Shall we judge every human activity only by it's worst examples?
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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