[Tom]

Are you referring to the motorcycle trail they built?

[Backpacker Joe]

Hey Mal, that's a good point. I could easily ride a Suzuki DRZ400S up to Williams. My bike wont even CRAP on the trail!!!!! Make at least as much trail damage as a hey burner too. Good idea. DR-Z400S TB

[Allison]

No motors in the Wilderness, pal.

[Backpacker Joe]

Ok, Ill ride it up to the sign. That still saves me a good 30+ minutes. Maybe longer. HA! TB

[Dante]

Let's just buy Horses, BPJ. We can keep them in Snoqualmie, and tow their trailer them up to dingford behind a huge pickup. We can bring beer and stakes and a huge wall-tent with a stove and set up a base camp at the campsite by the bridge in the big meadow (plenty of forage and water for the ponies). Remember Marmot Lake Seriously, I'd like to get a Marine M1030 M1 (Diesel Kawasaki KLR650) and run it on biodiesel.

[Tom]

Can I join, I'll bring my backcountry kitchen?

[moosefish]

You guys think too small.

[Malachai Constant]

[Randy]

[Allison]

IIRC those drunks were doing a bunch of trail maintenance.

[Randy]

One of the many groups said they were, but I didn't see any evidence of it. Especially along the lakeshore trail where there were 30 blowdowns or more. I saw that same group in the same year up at Marmot Lake supposedly doing maintenance, but they were more interested in the Schmidt than their saws. Anyhow, that's not the point of my post.

[solohiker]

How could they be? Horsies aren't allowed at Marmot ... only nearby Clarice. OK, that's not the point of your post either. And, I know it's only been a few years since they were banned at Marmot, so maybe you were talking about before that. Stuff is starting to grow back there, though. Things are looking up. If your point was that outfitters bringing up hoardes of people - (and their beverages) on horsies that should really be carcamping beside the road for all they respect the wilderness is not a good idea, then I certainly can't argue with you.

[MtnGoat]

The more roads the USFS closes, the fewer places they have to do just that and stay out of the wilderness. Seems to me there's already plenty of pressure on the USFS from certain quarters to add wilderness for starters and close "unneeded" roads (read to any interesting alpine or subalpine or water locations) to those darned people who don't hike but still like the woods. If you don't meet the canon for how it's acceptable to recreate (foot only), your recreational choices are constantly being reduced.... and from the single mindedness shown here and on the wild sky thread with respect to preserving other forms of access, you can see what the chances are for any turn of events going the other way.

[Grinch]

Randy - where are those burgers from, it looks like something I need to test.

[Tom]

That was Malachai that posted the burger shot, from the drudge report: Pa. Eatery Offers New 15-Pound Burger