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Blue Dome
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/06/06/dolphin.learning.ap/index.html
| Quote: | | Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools
Monday, June 6, 2005 Posted: 6:13 PM EDT (2213 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A group of dolphins living off the coast of Australia apparently teach their offspring to protect their snouts with sponges while foraging for food in the sea floor.
Researchers say it appears to be a cultural behavior passed on from mother to daughter, a first for animals of this type, although such learning has been seen in other species…
"Cultural evolution, including tool use, is not only found in humans and our closest relatives, the primates, but also in animals that are evolutionally quite distant from us. This convergent evolution is what is so fascinating," said Kruetzen... |
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ahumblefool
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The end is nigh! Run for the hills! 
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"It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."
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Blue Dome
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Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:32 pm |
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I'm waiting for somebody to chime in: if only their significant other would learn to use a sponge as a tool (to clean the kitchen).
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Dante
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:27 am |
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Opposable thumbs are as important as a big brain and cultural evolution. Where would homo sapiens be if we could only hold tools in our mouths?
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lookout bob
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:36 am |
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we would certainly live in smaller houses....
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Blue Dome
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:06 pm |
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| Dante wrote: | | Opposable thumbs are as important as a big brain and cultural evolution. |
From “The Onion” 
| Quote: | | Dolphins Evolve Opposable Thumbs
by Dan Guterman
on 31 Aug 2000
Honolulu, Hawaii
HONOLULU — In an announcement with grave implications for the primacy of the species of man, marine biologists at the Hawaii Oceanographic Institute reported Monday that dolphins, or family Delphinidae, have evolved opposable thumbs on their pectoral fins.
"I believe I speak for the entire human race when I say, 'Holy shxx,'" said Oceanographic Institute director Dr. James Aoki, noting that the dolphin has a cranial capacity 40 percent greater than that of humans. "That's it for us monkeys."
Aoki strongly urged humans, especially those living near the sea, to learn to communicate using a system of clicks and whistles in a frequency range of 4 to 150 kHz... |
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~ap/news/technology4.html
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Lagerman
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:14 pm |
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| Quote: | | Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools |
| Quote: | | Researchers say it appears to be a cultural behavior passed on from mother to daughter |
See ladies. Its only natural evolution why we dont wash the dishes!! 
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Blue Dome
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:48 pm |
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| Dante wrote: | | Opposable thumbs are as important as a big brain and cultural evolution. |
As dolphins have 40% greater cranial capacity than us opposable thumb bearers, and as we don’t understand the dolphins’ complex existence, is it possible opposable thumbs are simply our bias towards defining the highest complex existence?
In other words, maybe dolphins are having one hell of a party — without any of the negative impact we have on the planet, I might add — and we just don’t get it.
Doesn't that define the highest complex existence?
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Dante
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Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:46 pm |
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That's sort of the point I was trying to make (I think  ). When we think of "intelligent life" most of us think of machines or machine outputs (UFOs or radio waves) even though our machines are as much a result of our thumbs as our "intelligence"...
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