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 Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:41 am |
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I need some visual references for muzzle flashes, and I'm not seeing anything too great on google images.
Are semi auto/full auto muzzle flashes from a tech nine or an uzi star shaped? When is a muzzle flash star or xshaped? Most muzzle flashes I'm seeing on the web are looking more like a small burst of flame, like a flame from a lighter sort of.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:44 am |
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:46 am |
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Listen, I need visual references... not sound fx references.
Skippy does NOT sound like rapid fire! 
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:52 am |
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I am not an expert, but I think this thread contains what you are looking for:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=229664
You see star or X-shaped muzzle flashes on TV and in movies. I think that's because they're using blank firing adapters (BFAs) to provide sufficient gas pressure to operate the firearm without a bullet. BFAs often direct the gas that escapes our the sides. With my centerfire rifles, you either see a big old fireball (without the flash suppressor) or little to no flash (with it), as shown in the linked thread. I fired M16 rifles and M60 machine guns at night in the Army and they didn't produce huge flashes - that's the whole point of the flash suppressors attached to the muzzles.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:00 am |
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Wow! Thanks so much for that link!! -and for the info too.
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Good one Dante. Dave Workman, where are you? 
Ree, there are a number of answers to your questions. And near a million variables. I hope that site can help you out. You gun nut!
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:49 am |
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I believe most of what we see on TV, movies and the net are blanks designed to give the maximum flash in order to jack up audiences. I've been shooting handguns and rifles since I was a kid. I'm a hunter, gun collector, and for a brief time when I was a police officer I had the opportunity to shoot an Uzi, a Schmeisser MP40, and a beautiful 1928 Thompson with the pistol-grip forearm and drum magazine. None of the weapons belched fire like we see in the movies such as "Heat".
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The only ones I have seen with a pronounced muzzle flash are pistols that take rifle ammunition like a 30-30 Thompson Contender.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:51 pm |
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A lot of the "muzzle flashes", especialy the really big ones you see in movies today are an artist's rendering--they're often computer generated graphics and are not real muzzle flashes at all. One frequent give-away in a poorly done movie is when the gun sounds (the bang-bang-bang) doesn't sync with the flashes.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:00 pm |
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Thanks so much for everyone's feedback. I didn't realize the star-shape I'd seen a million times in muzzle flashes, was in fact the result of a blank going off on set.
Thanks for the clarification.
Of course there's not a thing I can do about the woman in the shot who is holding the gun by the magazine!!!
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| Backpacker Joe wrote: | | Good one Dante. Dave Workman, where are you? |
Minding my own business, thank you very much. 
I've been checking out some of the other threads. Over on the grouch thread, I believe I've been accused of being a "lobbyist" with an agenda...and elsewhere..... But I am also gratified by the support and kind comments.
Now, down to cases. A muzzle flash out of a real, live, bullet-firing firearm is pretty much a ball-shaped flash of light lasting a nano-second, with a point of flame projecting outward from the ball as the powder finishes burning beyond the end of the muzzle. It's not shaped like a star or anything else. It is a spherical flash with a point, rather like half an hour glass.
It might be best described as a ball with a cone projecting outward from the muzzle.
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Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:17 pm |
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Some Flash suppressors will give off Star like burst. 
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