[jimmymac]

[Backpacker Joe]

Oh brother. Some of you guys are OLD MAIDS to be sure. Relax already!!! Please don't compare Dave to Salboi either. Nor does Dave deserve any particular treatment.

[Toonces]

I am with BD on this one. I didn't see anything offensive in any of the posts I read, so why single this topic out for "thread drift offenses"? Hard not to believe some thin-skinned people didn't whine about it, or took things into their own hands. I'll be sure to request a thread drift cleansing next time it comes up in one of my favorite topics.

[jimmymac]

[Tazz]

it was not about thread drift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hikes with dogs]

Sheeeesh...I have to learn not to write exactly the way I talk... I guess the lack of additional feedback, (facial expression, body language), people won't get the correct meaning unless I spell it out..literally...so I have edited my post (the one quoted about thread drift)...hope my meaning is more clear now -these guys do help a little!

[Slugman]

Joe, jimmymac was criticizing those who gave Dave W the "sailboi" treatment. At least that's the way I read his post. Toonces, if a bunch of people who don't like your future thread try to derail it by deliberately posting nonsense like it was another "thread drift" thread, then you certainly may ask for a "thread-ectomy". But the thread's author did not ask for this thread to be edited, the moderators came to the conclusion on their own to try to diffuse a situation that was out of hand in their opinion. The posts they deleted had nothing to do with this thread nor were they natural discussions that came from the thread. Personally I think the whole thread is a piece of fear-mongering nonsense and stupidity right from the second and third posts, so I have no reason to want to protect the thread's "integrity", but I understand that the moderators did what they did out of a sense of fairness to the poeple who would disagree with me on that. I find the concept that two murders out of over 100 MILLION visitors to the MB/S NF over 40 years constitutes lawlessness in our NF's and therefore a person should be too much of a coward to hike without a gun to be ridiculous and offensive to any thinking person, but if these guys (authors of the second and third posts in the thread) want to embarrass themselves by posting such drivel they are entiltled to do it. Criticisms should be on-topic like the above, rather than just posting nonsense to derail the thread.

[Hikes with dogs]

Oh boy! NOW we are ready for some discussion...All sides get ready to meet in the middle!!!! P.S. Anyone notice the ratio of views to posts???

[MtnGoat]

Not sure what the big deal is. This is what moderaters are supposed to do. The drifts deleted were an open and direct attempt to derail what other members were discussing, with full intent to disrupt the thread and the conversation. This wasn't talking about a lake, turning into discussing the kind of fish in it, and on into fly rods, but complaints about thread content.... followed by posts intended to disrupt it. This is the same take on free speech as folks showing up at a speaking event to shout down the speaker, on the basis that doing so is "free speech". If you don't like the conversation, don't read the thread. Respecting that others may want to discuss something you don't like, without intentional disruption by people who don't have to read it in the first place, is simply common courtesy and respect. It's not people having a discussion some don't like that makes what occurred poor form, and it's not the moderator making sure they can discuss without coordinated interference... it's the intentional disruption for the purpose of doing so.

[MtnGoat]

[Tazz]

[Dave Workman]

[MtnGoat]

From Tazz in the guns/hiker thread....

[Hiker Boy]

The thread drift was funny but it was also a deliberate attempt to derail a discussion, I admit that I was part of it. Like it or not, at least our mods are trying to do something. Let em try and let's see how it goes.

[Dave Workman]