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MtnGoat Member
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:35 pm
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Quote: | A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. |
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1261997.html
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16097 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
Now that's using your ...... aw forget it
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Captain Trips Member
Joined: 06 Mar 2002 Posts: 437 | TRs | Pics
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Another good reason to carry 60 bottles of beer in your car. In this case, Bud light might be a good idea, versus a car full of Guiness.
Snoqualmie could use 10 ft of snow in 24 hours !
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MtnGoat Member
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:11 pm
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can you imagine what it must have smelled like in that car?
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
captain trips wrote: | Another good reason to carry 60 bottles of beer in your car. In this case, Bud light might be a good idea, versus a car full of Guiness.
Snoqualmie could use 10 ft of snow in 24 hours ! |
Not just 60 bottles, 60 HALF LITERS!
Whoa nelly!
TB
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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Slugman It’s a Slugfest!
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:03 pm
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WhiteJacket Member
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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
WhiteJacket wrote: | |
Wouldn't 60 half liters at one time kill you?
Enquiring minds (mind) want to know.
TB
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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solohiker Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 1081 | TRs | Pics Location: issaquah |
Slugman wrote: | A lesser man would have just poured the beer onto the snow to melt it. : |
You mean a lesser intelligent man.
(for the grammarians: a man of lesser intelligence)
This guy realized the beer HAD to go through his body to warm up to 98.6F.
Beer at ~33 F doesn't melt nearly as great a volume of snow as warm "stuff. "
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jenjen Moderatrix
Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 7617 | TRs | Pics Location: Sierra stylin |
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:54 pm
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Slugman wrote: | A lesser man would have just poured the beer onto the snow to melt it. |
But what kind of fun would that have been?
If life gives you melons - you might be dyslexic
If life gives you melons - you might be dyslexic
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Slugman It’s a Slugfest!
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:10 pm
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Jen: Exactly. He had the party spirit. But his story is a lie in my opinion. He drank enough to get drunk, and poured the rest out in the snow, or maybe the whole story is phony, and he was drunk in the first place. It does make a good story, though.
Solo: But as far as his body warming the beer, the human body has only a certain amount of heat it can generate, and if that was enough to melt yourself out of an avalanche, then people trapped under snow could just strip naked and melt their way out. But they can't. And the snow or ice would re-freeze in between urinations the way this guy said he did it. Also, beer has alcohol in it, and that would make even cold beer an effective anti-freeze. That would offset the temperature gains from passing it through the body, which would remove the alcohol. But the main reason pouring the beer out would work and urination wouldn't is that all the beer could be poured out in a couple of minutes, preventing re-freezing, but it would take many hours to urinate it out. So, judged as a physics problem, his "solution" ( no pun intended) is implausible.
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mgd Member
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:14 pm
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While I think the story is false, I think the method holds promise. Remember, beer has calories. You are fueling your body and and warming the beer in the process. The snow melts and you get a little river running under the glacier. Eventually you have an ice cave, and, your exit to freedom. How many days would it take though? How long could you survive on beer alone? Pizza is one of the most perfect foods for nutrition I thought I read somewhere. Beer, it would seem, without cheese, tomatos, and pepperoni, would be significantly less than perfect... There is probably a formula for how often you should drink the beer, etc, to escape. I would call it the Formula of Freedom.
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Slugman It’s a Slugfest!
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:25 pm
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Beer's calories are in the alcohol mainly, with some sugar as well. By drinking the beer, you are removing the alcohol, "nature's perfect anti-freeze". And you also fail to account for the "all-at-once" effect. You could warm many of the beers by just putting them inside your jacket, and then get the warmth, alcohol and the "all at once" effect working for you simultaneously. Then drink a bunch of them just for the fun of it.
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mgd Member
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:29 pm
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That warmth does not come free. Your body loses calories warming the cool beer, and those calories are not replaced if you don't drink it.
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Dayhike Mike Bad MFKer
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Posts: 10958 | TRs | Pics Location: Going to Tukwila |
Slugman wrote: | and if that was enough to melt yourself out of an avalanche, then people trapped under snow could just strip naked and melt their way out. |
This is exactly my plan, much to Doxey and Dicey's chagrin.
It's one of the reasons I avoid wearing long pants when hinking too -- they're way too hard to take off in case of avalanche.
BTW - After reading this fascinating story, EDD, Sojurn, and I decided that we too would have a backup plan during our trip up Pilchuck today. Each of us packed up a half-rack of libations (EDD and I brought Pabst Blue Ribon, Sojurn didn't get the memo and brought MGD instead) to use in case we were buried under an avalanche. Try as we might, we couldn't get it to avalanche and as a result never got a chance to "test" our new emergency gear. We returned the beverages unopened and a bit warmer after the hike.
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