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NacMacFeegle
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Rubbish, the two guardian articles are 7 and 4 years old, and only one of them (the somewhat sensationalist editorial) flat out says they don't do anything to deter crime. The first article actually contains several studies that indicate that surveillance cameras decrease crime!
From the Economist:
| Quote: | | The advent of DNA testing, mobile-phone location and surveillance cameras—which have spread rapidly, especially in Britain—have all increased the risk of getting caught. |
From the Portsmouth News:
| Quote: | | Public order and assault offences have dropped dramatically since a group of Hampshire frontline police officers were issued with body-worn video cameras.
That’s the conclusion of researchers at Portsmouth University’s Institute of Criminal Justice Studies.
They found that public order and assault crimes dropped by 18 per cent, from just over 1,700 to 1,400 in the year that police on the Isle of Wight were wearing cameras. It also found that assaults on police went down by a third. |
The more cameras the police have at their disposal the better!
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Chief Joseph
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| boot up wrote: | | no mechanical devices allowed in the Wilderness. Period. |
I agree, is there no end to the destruction of this land by the White Eyes?
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Randito
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Public officials like to take credit for various "get tough " tactics and the reduction in crime rates. However there is a much stronger coorelation between crime rate reduction and the banning of leaded gasoline twenty years earlier than CCTV or "stop and frisk" and "broken window" policies . Lead exposure in utero and at young ages affects a number of brain development aspects , notably impulse control.
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| Quote: | | There are three basic reasons why this theory should be believed. First, as Drum points out, the numbers correlate almost perfectly. “If you add a lag time of 23 years,” he writes. “Lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the ’40s and ’50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s.” |
Drone based CCTV monitoring of the public would be an Orwellian nightmare -- not to mention noisy.
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| Chief Joseph wrote: | | I agree, is there no end to the destruction of this land by the White Eyes? |
That is a very racist statement.
Take your White bashing somewhere else
Nature exists with a stark indifference to humans' situation.
Nature exists with a stark indifference to humans' situation.
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Chief Joseph
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| Schenk wrote: | | That is a very racist statement. |
Maybe, but it is also a very TRUE statement.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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| Chief Joseph wrote: | | Schenk wrote: | | That is a very racist statement. |
Maybe, but it is also a very TRUE statement. |
Just because a few Tribal Leaders have made the evening news by using environmental politics to exercise a given Tribe's political influence doesn't mean Natives are collectively all about the Earth.
As long as Natives benefit and profit off oil, gambling casinos, and everything else that depends on infrastructure, the economy, and banking, then your claim is nothing more than hypocrisy.
Something to chew on: http://smithsonianscience.si.edu/2011/05/native-americans-were-changing-environment-in-north-america-long-before-european-settlers-arrived/
Nature exists with a stark indifference to humans' situation.
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Chief Joseph
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Whatever, "racism" is in the eye of the beholder anyway and most are too sensitive. Imho, "White Eyes" and "Redskins" are not at all racist terms.
Now if you add a select adjective such as dirty, evil, murderous, sinful, bloodthirsty, ect, then it would become a racist term. Of course some will agree and some won't, such is life.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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huron
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Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:47 pm |
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Drone sound is quite relaxing. Don't see the problem.
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| Chief Joseph wrote: | | Now if you add a select adjective such as dirty, evil, murderous, sinful, bloodthirsty, |
destructive... 
Thankfully, in this case, White Eyes have enacted laws that prevent this particular debasement of designated Wilderness.
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"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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NacMacFeegle
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I've learned that every tribe is very different, with some being great environmental advocates, while others squander America's natural heritage more than the European newcomers have! Many tribes have their entire culture rooted in good environmental practices; legends, traditions, and rituals of coastal tribe involved a complex understanding and care of the ecology that supports the salmon which were so important to them as a food source. They may have looked like superstitious nonsense to early explorers, but with modern scientific hindsight we have come to understand that in a roundabout way the Indians new a whole lot more about their environment than we did at the time.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Native Americans didn't have a large effect on the America's after they migrated here from Asia, but the fact is that the culture and technology brought from Europe have resulted in alterations to the environment that dwarf any before seen north of Southern Mexico. Really, it was little different from what would occur if the Earth were suddenly colonized by Aliens!
Now we have tribes like the Blackfeet who eagerly allow the coal industry to carve up their land, or tribes in the Pacific Northwest that have clearcut every square inch of their reservations. On the other hand, there are the tribes that use their treaty rights to restore salmon, and to fight for the preservation and protection of the natural environment. I do think that building casinos, selling illegal fireworks, etc. is more than a little bit hypocritical, the idea of having tiny semi-nations within the U.S. is one that still seems a little crazy to me. However, I do think that Native American's shouldn't be lumped into one bucket due to the great difference between the various tribes.
Hmmm...... methinks this thread has gone quite badly astray-Racism? Native Americans? Government surveillance? Wasn't it originally just about a drone someone saw somewhere it shouldn't have been? 
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Randito
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| NacMacFeegle wrote: | | Wasn't it originally just about a drone someone saw somewhere it shouldn't have been? |
If only the drone had scared an off-leash dog into biting someone -- then this thread could have really gone somewhere...
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| RandyHiker wrote: | | NacMacFeegle wrote: | | Wasn't it originally just about a drone someone saw somewhere it shouldn't have been? |
If only the drone had scared an off-leash dog into biting someone -- then this thread could have really gone somewhere... |
Perhaps my off leash dog will retrieve the remains after I shoot it down.
Then we will have something interesting to discuss.
Maybe a new breed of retriever is needed to specialize in such things. The Dronador Retriever? The Droneden Retriever? A dronedle? The possibilities are endless.
Actually, my mom had a large chocolate lab who damaged a couple of remote control airplanes because he felt the need to retrieve them. Good dog!! 
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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NacMacFeegle
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| yarbrolee wrote: | | NacMacFeegle wrote: | | Many tribes have their entire culture rooted in good environmental practices; legends, traditions |
And you include the Makah in that remark?
Or, as a coastal tribe, they are the only ones excluded because they want to harvest a few whales? |
I've always found the tradition excuse for whale hunting to be absolute bunk. In the past it may have been justified by necessity, but in the modern world it is unnecessary and cruel.
I never said that all the coastal tribes are great, and I've never been impressed by how tribes such as the Makah, Quinnault, and Quileute maintain their land. I just used the coastal Indian salmon traditions as an example of how some of these groups had (and in some cases still have) good ecological practices.
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| NacMacFeegle wrote: | | "...so far there have only been one or two negative incidents..." |
Drone almost hits medical helicopter carrying patient to Fresno hospital 10/29/15
Aerial Drone Strikes West Hollywood Power Lines - 647 People Lose Power 10/27/15
Drone is Apparent Cause of West Hollywood Power Outage 10/26/15
Let’s All Watch a Drone Fall Out of the Sky and Smack a Person in the Face 08/26/13
Two Plead Guilty in Border Drug Smuggling by Drone 08/12/15 "Mexican media have reported that drug cartels are commissioning engineers for custom-made drones."
Tourists spark security scare in Milan after crashing remote-control drone into famous cathedral 06/23/15
Drone Crashes, Hits 2 People During Marblehead Parade 05/25/15
Kentucky Judge Dismisses Charges Against Man for Shooting Drone Out of Sky
incidents cited in previous "drone" discussion threads:
Drone operator chased, tased by ranger at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park 04/27/15
Oregon man fined for flying drone that buzzed bison at Yellowstone park 10/03/14
Dutch tourist drone pilot fined for Yellowstone flight 09/29/14
New docs show drone landed on Lincoln head at Mount Rushmore in 2013 09/27/14
Man who crashed drone into Yellowstone hot spring sentenced to probation and banned from National Park 09/23/14
Drone goes down into famed Yellowstone National Park hot spring 08/06/14
drone interference with firefighting efforts:
$75,000 in rewards offered to catch operators who flew drones above fires 10/29/15
Private drones are putting firefighters in 'immediate danger,' California fire official says 08/18/15
Cheap Drones Are Interfering With Firefighters' Work 08/10/15 "The U.S. Forest Service has tallied 13 wildfires in which suspected drones interfered with firefighting aircraft this year — 11 since late June — up from four fires last year and only scattered incidents before."
California Firefighters Forced To Call Off Missions After Drone Interference 07/23/15
Consumer drones interfere with CA firefighting efforts 07/19/15
regulations proposed/implemented:
The Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Department announced Monday that they'll require current and future recreational drone users to register their unmanned aircraft with the government before Christmas. It's an important first step toward bringing accountability to drone ownership. 10/29/15
According to the FAA, there were 764 possible encounters with unmanned aircraft reported by pilots or airport personnel between November 2014 and August 2015. 10/29/15
A federal report issued recently by California Sen. Dianne Feinstein says pilots report more than 100 cases of drones being flown improperly every month. Close calls between commercial airlines and drones flying thousands of feet in the air are becoming routine: There have been 18 reports in San Jose alone since April 2014. Without regulation, it's only a matter of time before a drone brings down a jetliner.
Meanwhile, drones have driven off airborne firefighters trying to control wildfires, increasing property destruction and endangering lives. They've plowed into crowds at weddings and sports events around the country and crashed into skyscrapers. (More than 400 U.S. military drones have crashed since 2001 -- and they're guided by well-trained, experienced pilots.)
They've been used to drop illegal drugs into prisons. 10/29/15
Google, Amazon, and WalMart Join FAA Drone Task Force 10/29/15
Drones Out of Control - What is Congress Doing? 10/21/15
The FAA is investigating an incident where debris from a small privately owned drone fell and injured an 11-month-old girl in a stroller in Los Angeles 10/21/15
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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